New Zealand 1989, part 4: the house meeting, transcribed

New Zealand 1989, part 4

Transcribed by the archive from the tape as posted to YouTube. The film.

Why New Zealand

[0:00] to be destroyed very quickly. But we have a way of doing it and the way it is, the way that we must accomplish it is to sit down there and decentralize the production of the system and decentralize it in installation and set it up as an independent business entity and that's the vehicle which the Lord has shown me to do it very successfully in the United States and we are doing this at the present time. Well, we're ready to do it. That's it. Does anybody else would like to take the floor and add anything or ask any questions or anything?

[0:36] Well, the Lord pulled me away from the project and said to go to New Zealand. So I started asking some questions. And I'm finding out that New Zealand is importing about 50% of their oil into this country. So you're much like we are. We import 60% of oil to maintain our economy. If that oil is cut off, tomorrow you die. And we die. So the area is to communicate. I've been going to many countries all over the world. communicating and talking about the technology, and to say, hey, there's an answer. Because what we're talking about today, if it complies with the law of economics, and it complies with KISMA, they keep it simple, stupid, and it gives us an answer to the energy problem, then put this technology in the wrong hands, like the mafia, or to the Arabs, or any other hostile foreign country. Then those countries that would be blocked with this technology would be destroyed economically very, very quickly.

[1:32] And those countries that would have access to this technology could be prospered very quickly. So it's paramount. Unfortunately, there are those who seek to destroy, and very few seek to build and to maintain. So I have imparted now all of this knowledge and wisdom, and now you have a great responsibility. As I had a responsibility in developing the technology under the final authority word of God and bringing it to this state, now I'm communicating to you. Now, we can invent and develop this technology, show you that in fact we have an answer to the energy problem, but in the final equation, it's going to be coming down to you guys whether or not it's going to get in. So I don't know the laws in New Zealand. I don't know the people in New Zealand. I don't know their philosophy. I don't know the enemies against New Zealand. But I do know that as the time goes, you're going to have to need this answer, just like the other countries.

[2:24] And we've got to be able to somehow move in one accord to bring it about. And if we don't do it, don't rely on the government to do it, of any nation, and don't rely on any international corporations to do it, because they're not going to do it. It's going to come down to you and I and the guy down the street that says, hey, we're going to pick up the challenge and pick up the ball and go. And if we don't do it, well then, then the work has been in vain. You're saying go ahead and do it? I mean, you've got patents on it. Do you...

The congressional report, and distribution

[2:53] Well, what I'm starting to do now is to start the vehicle capable of doing it. If I can develop the technology or the equipment, we are now setting up a product development center in Worship Court House, Ohio, by which we take our tech base and we're now designing retrofit energy systems. That technology, as it goes forward now, OFAS here,

[3:20] What we're doing now, I'm starting to set up a congressional report, and we're starting to set up an area now by which we're going to bring the people of the world together and say, gentlemen, we've got a problem to solve. Bring the experts in, like the Manhattan-style project. Come in one accord and say, what are your energy needs? What do you need? We're going to house the engineers. that's strictly going to be assigned for one particular area, like home heating system or the home electrical power generation system. This area here deals with military retrofit to the aviation industries here. So, as we provide this knowledge, then we must organize people in New Zealand to go ahead and to say, hey, they have the facilities, they have the equipment, they have the plastic mold injection devices, get a hold of the people that can produce the electronic circuit boards or the individuals to make the printed circuit boards or whatever it's needed to make the system.

[4:14] We'll provide the technology, we'll provide the engineering skills, but you're going to have to put it together. And that's what we're after is to mobilize no problem by what you just said and we'll do it. Yeah, well, that's that's the key. Because no one man can do it. I cannot do it. There's only so many hours in a day. And if you have any questions about how to come out of the void coming unstuck or whatever, getting set up to know what you've come across.

[4:47] Say that again now. Any advice on the particular way to set up or the way not to set up? Not to incorporate. The key is that it has to be an independent business entity, not to incorporate. Corporations are geared for takeover. You can take over any corporation in the world, and they can control you very much. The reason why I'm very successful is, number one, I never incorporated. I'm a proprietor, and I operate under what's called the grandfather's closet. And because I operate on the grandfather's clause, they cannot shut me down or regulate me to a point that I cannot bring the technology out. So I would recommend, I don't know the local laws in New Zealand, but I would say that they're basically the same. And so go to the small independent business. Number two is like I'm going to the plastic mold injectors or people that have already their facilities and their equipment. Say, look, you need a product to make money.

[5:46] I'm going to provide you the whereforeall to make the product in order to stay in business.

Distribution centres in New Zealand

[5:52] which will aid us. We're set up like a distribution center, maybe one, possibly two in New Zealand, that the parts will be made, go to a distribution center where they receive the quality control check. Once it goes through the CQing area, then you will have hired out sub-assimilars, or people will take the various parts, go back and assemble it, test it, bring it back in again, put it in the package form, and ship it out the door. So, again, it's a good way to mobilize in order to mobilize quickly to get the power technology in. Of course, the other thing this can do is it can generate thousands of jobs. Yes. Thousands. Yes. I don't know what the unemployment here is. It's high. Five percent. You probably have to import people just to get the product to get it in to stabilize the economy. Or just work harder. The next key is that you're going to have to center as to what areas. If the Mideast crisis occurs,

[6:49] then you're going to have to get with me and say what areas it's going to need to power source quickly. Because I don't know what the food supply chain is in New Zealand. It's trucks. Food supply is good. Yeah, but after so many days, it's gone. See, it's 27 days in the United States.

Natural gas, CNG, and Siemens

[7:09] So we've got a bit of help here because of the natural gas supply. And we've got CNG and LPG that's locally produced. So it helps a bit. We have actually got quite a large oil supply, which is, they can up the production. About 70%. Yeah. For a short term. Yeah, for short term. Very short term. So then you've got a 30%. See, like the natural gas here alone, they strip the hydrogen out of it before it's supplied to the motor car. Yeah.

[7:39] And the Auckland Gas Company takes the hydrogen out again when it gets here, but there's still a little bit left. So they take the hydrogen out of the natural gas when it gets to Auckland. So the natural gas, cars that run on natural gas are gutless. No power at all. Yeah, what a waste. Yeah, most of the oil companies you'll see today, the international ones, are dispersing. they're divesting so fast it's unbelievable because they know that the raw material is no longer there. And so they're going in areas that they can imagine, not concentrating on the areas of oil. Like tobacco companies. Yeah. So maybe New Zealand, it seems like it's a little bit better off than the United States. There are other countries like, for example, like in the North Sea.

[8:26] England and some of the Scandinavian countries and other European countries felt that they were safe. Well, we've got our oil reserves up here in the North Sea. Well, last year alone, the pressure in the North Sea dropped by one-third, and it's dropping more today. So in one year, it dropped by one-third of its capacity. And don't think England is not vexing greatly today because they're at a point of shutting down their nuclear power plants. And Sweden is in the process of what, next year or so, they're supposed to be shutting down their nuclear power plants.

[8:58] We've got Siemens down here trying to sell this government its first nuclear power station. There's considerable interest in amongst the powers that be to put in nuclear stations in New Zealand. We're working on it now, so we've got to get in fast. They have not solved the problem on radiation in the hourglass effect. What plan of attack do you recommend? I know you've outlined this briefly as to how...

First moves

[9:23] We should get this into operation, but what's your first move to sort of tie this all up so that people like myself and everyone else here can get... Get back with me as soon as possible. My fax number is 614-871-8075.

[9:42] and write me and get back with me and how you feel that we can implement this technology. I know nothing of New Zealand. You have, you live here, and you know the best approach. So I need what you feel would be the most ideal approach to move, both from a standpoint of a national emergency situation and the other one being in a

[10:07] Without a war, goodness. Does it relate to, say, the application of natural gas on a motor car? Do you know how that's applied? Would it relate to that sort of situation? Not sure. A retrofit kit would be very common. Yeah. So there are natural gas fitters within this country already. Oh, that could fit them without any trouble at all. So the fitting equipment is there already. It's all in place. Well, you can't hook it up to a conventional carburetion system or an LP gas system. You cannot do that, no. No, but what I'm saying is that these organizations that are in the position gas system to a Maori car can, because of their experience, I see as being the natural person to go to towards the retrofit equipment, the hydrogen retrofit equipment to an ordinary Maori car. Yeah. Well, here again, it depends on who controls them. What about the thought of actually doing a national news release on this, like one that they can't stop?

A car in New Zealand

[11:14] And the way that we could do this is by having a car in New Zealand that runs on on the fuel cells. Now, let me give you a classic example. We were preparing a car to come to Australia and run in the solar Australian race, right? And we were calibrating and debugging the pre-engineering unit. And the stall that broke the camel's back, so to speak, that we got through the fax machine, the sponsors that was going to bring us over,

[11:44] The contract boiled out to be nothing more than a deed of property transfer and a bill of sale on the dune buggy. So for the price of plane tickets coming off Australia to show us how you can run a car on water, I will assure you we would have never got in the race the first day, the way that the contract was written.

[12:05] So, unfortunately, there are those who seek not to allow it to come. And so it has to come by, not through the federal government and not through the multi-internationals. The thing is, all these LPG fitters and so on, these gas fitters,

[12:21] have to be licensed to handle all the explosive gas and all that sort of thing and so instantly regulations would try and stop this hydrogen cell oh yeah for that from that point there's no explosive gas on the accelerator yeah that's right see it's a constant area until you need it so we solve these because that's the power to beat it well it's in the pack it's in the pack

Storage, and the buggy's gas management system

[12:43] Yeah. There's this, I mean, you don't have the problem of storing hydrogen gas under high pressure. Well, you know, that's more than the water in the tank. Yeah. So you see on, like, for example, on impact, you have electronic jar switch on that. We got the green light to take the technology and demonstrate it, like, in the Indy 500. And we showed them, in fact, that the technology was ultra-safe. Safer than petrol? Yeah, because it was electronically, we can show it now. If the fuel cell, let's say, is retrofitted to an existing car, then on impact, it would activate the jar switch, it would shut down the electronic circuits, which would de-energize the system. So if on an impact, if the housing of the fuel cell was ruptured in any way, the only thing that's coming out is natural water. Well, the things that are going to help us is maybe some copies of some of your go-ahead literature that has been approved in other places so we can say, look,

[13:33] Oh yeah, sure. All of this would be provided. Is there any storage with the hydrogen and oxygen somewhere? You'd have to have something, you know, to start it. You know, just a... Just very little. You only need just a little cup full of gas to do this. A cup full of gas means nothing as far as you're going to spark tonight. It's only going to release it out of a pressure release valve and just go pop and that's it. So I've been designing... So how do you start the engine? In the conventional way with a battery and a... You touch the engine and leave it exactly as it is. You don't change the spark plugs. You change nothing on it. To retrofit to an existing car, all you do is pull off the gas tank. You put the fuel cell in place of it. You run your spark arrestor gas line from the fuel cell to the front of the car. You hook it to a hydrogen injector system. And then you take one electrical lead, hook it to the battery of your car.

[14:30] You fill it up with water, turn the ignition on, start it, and run down the road. Would you say that your case so far? Sorry, have you finished? One other area. You mentioned the hydrogen injector. Is that something you produce? It's produced on demand all the time. On demand. It's already available. Yes, it's already available. It works on the vacuum, I suppose, the demand process.

[14:55] Now we developed, if you see the pamphlet that I have on the dune buggy, look at the electronic control system up on the dashboard.

[15:17] That's referred to as your GMS, your gas management system. And there's some unusual characteristics. What happened in the prior state of the art in running a car on hydrogen is they tried to go to a hybrid system, trying to take the technology that they had used in running gasoline and say, well, let's try to see if we can run the car on hydrogen. And hydrogen has totally different operational characteristics. And so it was a requirement that a full and complete new design approach would have to be in order to allow the hydrogen to run very efficiently. And so the gas management system was developed to take care and specifically was designed around handling the hydrogen gas because hydrogen, as an example, Not only releases energy almost three times more than that of gasoline, but it also moves three times, the atoms move three times faster than air. So hydrogen has a very narrow window of combustion and so it was a requirement that this narrow window of combustion would be maintained regardless of the RPM of the engine.

[16:28] Whereas in the prior state of the art, they simply peaked the operation of the carburetor around 60 miles per hour, and then as you go lower or higher, then the fuel mixture would change. So it became tremendously important for us to design the engineering retrofit around the characteristic of the hydrogen and atom to allow that engine to run very uniformly. Another limitation to the technology was they were trying, for example, to take hydrogen and put water down in the injection. That was mixing liquid with hydrogen, which became a very radical form of operations. In other words, the vehicle had to run at very high RPMs and had erratic starting conditions. So we've eliminated all of the prior art. difficulties in running hydrogen. So when we run the car and demonstrate it, and you will get news of this as we bring this out, we'll show that in fact we have the engineering design retrofit solved in order to run that engine very, very smoothly.

Reducing it to chips

[17:28] That's where we take our technology now and reduce it down to the IC chips. So under normal conditions, they're telling me that they can convert the electronics down to an IC chip in less than six months. But under wartime conditions, we can possibly get it done within a week, a week and a half. And all of our electronics were designed under TTL computer compatibility, which gave us the abilities to now miniaturize the circuitry. Makes it a lot more stable when using something else, too. Yeah. Two questions, Stan. How would you describe the euroconverter kits? at the moment in terms of their refinement? Do you see much more refinement being necessary, or are we a very refined system in operation right now, or close to? Yeah, we are in the latter stages of debugging the system to look at our performance and reliability performance. And all of our electronics have been developed on the highest state-of-the-art technology.

[18:26] I had to invent a laser distributor and laser accelerator. We had to design new electronic circuit logics to do this. That is all now being totally finalized for mass production. So we'll run, we'll be running and debugging the systems to test it out to make sure all the electronic circuits are working properly. Once that is done, then the decision is go for mass production. Mass production simply entails getting with the experts in the field of plastic industry. We'll be using Delron materials as the material for the unit because Delron has good characteristics in molding characteristics and it acts as an electrical insulator and chemically inert to the process. And so once that decision is made, then we should have units out the door in less than six months. So you have six months from a prototype for demonstration purposes? Well, under normal, I would say 18 to 24 months. Under wartime situations, we could possibly have units out the door in less than five months.

A working model

[19:28] Yeah, but that's units out the door. That's not a prototype. The unit we have is like a prototype. Yeah, that's called pre-engineering.

[19:37] We would desire to get, in a condition here in New Zealand, a working model to demonstrate, not necessarily the power car yet, but a working model to demonstrate the technology as a sales angle, if you like. How close would you be to that right now? Well, that would be the production in 18 to 24 months. I actually don't see it as important to actually having a demonstration model. I think it's probably more important to have a model that works and set in one system and sell that and basically sell them from the point of view where you've got one working and the guy takes it and then you go and get another one. That has a mushrooming effect where you don't have to go and demonstrate a word of mouth and look after that because this is like, you know, we all know how incredible this system is. It doesn't need to be demonstrated. It just needs to work. It needs to be shown to exist. No, but the proof of the pudding is in the fact that you've got one working.

[20:43] That's right. So we need a working model. That's why the pre-engineering is now being finalized. That's what I'm saying. Your point is if a person's got one, he's got one there, and the person goes, shit, where did you get that from? And you find it will spread like wildfire. Of course it will. You don't need to demonstrate it. No, we need the first model to... I mean, the fastest way to get the... Like, you're going to need money to set up the terms, like small amounts of money, thousands, to set up the manufacturing procedures in New Zealand. And to generate that cash, we want to generate interest. And the way we can generate interest is with a working model. We can say, here it is. You know, here's the water out of the tap. So you're going to the financier to get the money. There's no need to go to near a financier. He will be offering us money. I will assure you one thing. The day you have a unit sitting there, you don't have to sell the first unit.

[21:33] Absolutely. The only thing they're going to need, one thing, is how much and how fast can I get? Exactly. And they're going to have a name in what happened in the United States. is that I had two businessmen when we were developing the technology standing out the door waiting for me to talk to me and I was on the phone in my laboratory and all of a sudden I heard these two well-heeled gentlemen fighting outside. They were yelling at each other. They said, I'm here first. I want my units and I want mine. Well, the one guy was selling 100 homes and couldn't sell the homes because he had no fuel. And the other guy said, look, man, my industry's going down. I don't have any fuel to sell cars. And they were both right. And I finally realized, well, the only way I can say that is to say, well, you put it on the first come, first serve. In other words, you put the person's name down. You say, well, give me a deposit of X amount of money.

[22:22] And manufacturing unit. 1,205 is yours. And when that's produced, you got it. So I don't think you're going to have too much money as far as... So that's why I'm in a similar position to do that with you in terms of getting the first unit. Oh, absolutely. And the way I'm doing this is like in the United States, it's dealerships. I can't say they're franchises. They have to be dealerships. And dealerships is nothing more than a legal license. to act on my behalf in business. And basically the license is around that you must do your business honestly and forthrightly according to the laws of your land. I mean, if you cheat on your taxes and you get zapped, well then I'll give it to somebody else. And there is a stopgap that you can't resell your dealership to some foreign entity. If you want to sell it, well then you have to sell it for the amount of monies that you originally have in it. And a water fuel cell makes the, will screen a person to say, hey, you're not selling this to an Arab.

The Japanese, and responses from the world

[23:26] You know, like I had fought a tremendous battle where there were a certain group of Japanese that came in to try to block the technology for the world. And I'm assuring you that they were very successful. We'd be talking, all of us would be talking Japanese. Because as I said, in the wrong hands, man, you could destroy the economy of the world or you could manipulate the economy of the world. So it becomes important. So I've set the end of the up in a way that you got to do it honestly and forthrightly. So it's a license, but I don't sell you the technology. And so the same, the same philosophy we're doing in the United States, I'm doing it for every country in the world, to allow the vehicle to come in that we would be successful. Stan? Yes. I reckon in 18 months time when your vehicles come off the centerline, you'll have a hard job remembering New Zealand.

[24:13] Well, I tell you, if you've been in our laboratory, we get responses from all over the world. And my purpose was to protect the technology for the United States, as well as to the world, and the Lord has allowed me to accomplish the task. Now, the Arabs offered me over a billion dollars cold cash to sit on the technology and don't do anything with it. Now, if you offered me money back in 1975, it would have probably taken me about 10 billion to the degree of a second to accept it. But it would not agree with me to go down in the Bahamas and watch the United States go or the other countries go. Unfortunately, when you develop something, you have a responsibility to that knowledge. And we're talking about responsibility stabilizing. You know, if the oil is cut off to us tomorrow and it's contaminated, you know, The food supply chain in the world is roughly around 27 days. After 27 days, or once that food supply chain is disrupted, you're talking within 120 to 180 days, possibly over 1 billion people facing starvation.

[25:15] Now, that's one heck of a fantastic responsibility. If that hadn't sooner, then I... show of replacing the technology of Israel. Right. So, at this time, we can pull the resources of each country of the world and say, gentlemen, just like we're making approaches in the Congress and everything for the monies and appropriations, we do the same thing. Say, hey, we need an extra amount of money to bring it in. If we get you behind us, if I come back over to New Zealand, and I'm not going to forget New Zealand, the Lord's not going to forget New Zealand, nor is he going to forget any other country. And so I believe it's going to be where a conference that we're going to come together and say, this is what we need to do. So we need to get ourselves on your list and figure out how much money we need to raise to get those. Yes. Right. And then I'll send you the information on the dealerships and things.

Master moulds

[26:06] Yes. Well, the key is, yes. And what we're doing is, for example, is designing master molds. Once the master molds are debugged, okay, that they're operating properly, then all we do is make copies of the master molds. And we send you copy molds, or I'll send you the drawings. and go to a machinist and say, make that exactly according to the specs. You see what I'm saying? That's what we'd like to be doing soon, because we can start exploring all those avenues before anything comes up your production line. Yeah. Well, yes. And that's what I need, because we're almost finalized with our work. Once that car is up and running, it's going to run continuously. We've designed it in a way for tremendous high performance and high performance reliability. The laser distributor, laser accelerator, its minimal operation hour is 100,000 hours. So when you talk about conventional electronics, we've got electronic circuits that have been working for 23 to 40 some years without malfunctioning.

[27:03] So we have high reliability systems approved.

[27:08] I think that's the way we want to go. Yeah, he's setting up manufacturing. Yeah, this baby in a New Zealand company. But I think we'll be here.

[27:21] Maybe another two or three weeks. Hopefully see some of the sites. So maybe we can work it out. Get some of your thoughts down on paper and then we can get together before I go back. Because this is what I need. What I would like to suggest now, if I could, not to close the meeting off or anything, but I'm not sure we do that. since we all more or less have an idea of what's happening here, and it's interesting to see Stang as echoing so many things we opened the discussion with about decentralization, the money system, etc., is whether we can get a commitment towards a group of people right now, today, who are willing to take this further to the stage of committing to form an association. An idea that occurred to me, just to give it a buzz in there, is something like the Expotential Energy Association of New Zealand, something like that. It could be anything. But something... that gives us a chance to say, okay, we want to become a group that works in this town.

Water Fuel Cell New Zealand

[28:20] I move that motion now. Does anybody would like to say anything? Why don't we call it Water Fuel Cell New Zealand? Yeah, that's right. That's all we're calling it. Water Fuel Cell New Zealand. And just this stands leading. The name is irrelevant. All we want now is a commitment. Do we want to move to restart? I second. I second. Absolutely. Most definitely. Fantastic. Will all those who say aye? Aye. Aye. Aye. Have you got any travel plans worked out yet? Can we figure out a date to maybe get a business meeting up? All I'm going to try to do is try to get some of the get the dealership manuals here.

[29:01] Before you leave? Yes. What about the technical manuals of what you're doing? We can send that to you later. No, we'll send that to you later. There's some of the technology that I'm still clearing, and once I get it cleared... Is there any help for one of us to come over and see you at Ohio? At this stage of the game, no. Allow us to go on and finish our work and complete our paperwork. And once that's done, then we talk, then we get together. Then I would say, come, and then we'll sit down and discuss it. I love the fax machine. That's right. It doesn't work all the time. So if you got them, then we'll start faxing. That, to me, is the fastest and easiest way to start to coordinate. We best stop working here and let you get on with your business back here. Explore structures and problems. And I still think that the initial problems we talked about, let's not be naive, I still think the initial problems we talked about will have to be addressed.

Opposition

[29:55] That is, we're going to come up against a lot of opposition. The steps to remedy that will have to be looked at. Government lobbying, etc. That will all have to form part of the discussion. On behalf of everyone, Stan, I thank you very much for giving us this opportunity. Thank you.