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All right, everyone.
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We are here for our second round table discussion, Chris
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and I.
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So on this topic for this evening, we're gonna talk about
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the quenching disk and
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the quenching tube technology.
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As we see here, the background on the first slide.
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This is just a little snapshot of Chris and I's video from
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last year,
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I believe, where we actually demonstrated the single port
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quenching disk.
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So, brief overview for those that may not know.
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According to Stan, his quenching technology was a way to
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safely utilize and
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transport hydrogen and oxygen based fuels.
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This was done to prevent unwanted ignition, as those that
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experiment
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should be aware hydrogen and oxygen is very flammable and
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volatile.
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And it does not take much to have a catastrophic incident.
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So in order to retrofit and accommodate existing
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infrastructure and
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technology, Stan devised this to allow quick adoption into
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the economy.
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In general, the actual mechanism of action, if you will, is
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very simple.
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And what he does is he essentially mixes in non-combustible
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gases and
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the orifice size is small enough to prevent backflow,
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if there's a certain amount of pressure behind.
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And the size is to basically keep a safe distance between
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the combustible atoms.
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Now, within Meyer's literature, which we're going to see here
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shortly,
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the hydrogen of oxygen's flame greatly exceeds conventional
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hydrocarbons,
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such as diesel gasoline, propane, natural gas, etc.
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As I said, the intermixing of non-combustible gases,
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here's Meyer's chart.
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The non-combustible gases was used to adjust or
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modulate, in his terms, the burn rate down to co-equal your
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typical
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unconventional hydrocarbon based fuels.
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So, I took the average of the upper, which is 42.5
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centimeters a second.
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And I took the lower, which came out to be 36.5.
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Now, these are the median values of the upper and lower for
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the hydrocarbon fuels.
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And if you take the median between 325 and 265,
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you essentially arrive at hydrogen and oxygen has a flame
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speed that's seven
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times faster than any of the fuels that we use today.
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That was one of the main engineering hurdles that he had to
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overcome.
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A lot of his literature and diagrams show something similar
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to what you see here on
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the right.
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He states that dissolved ambient air gases contained within
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the water is also
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released during the process of his electrical polarization
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process and
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break down the water.
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We see here that he's recycling non-combustible gases and
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he's putting them into the flame.
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We can also see the arrow beneath that here.
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I think it's from a pointer.
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But we can see air where he's going to showing introducing
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into the flame jet,
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as well as some form of prior to actual ignition.
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And we can see that the hydrogen gas flame is around 47
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centimeters a second.
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So he's already reduced the flame rate as he discusses in
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his literature.
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So the method of modulation, as he says, as we can see
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diagrammatically here on
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the right, the larger non-combustible gas atoms essentially
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increase the distance
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between the hydrogen and the oxygen, according to his
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explanation.
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And we can see in the actual quenching tube a similar
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process going on.
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Now, one of the things that you'll see throughout the
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literature as well as
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on the estate buggy picture that Don Gabel released many
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years ago.
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You will see methods of cooling the exhaust gases.
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So one of this has to do with the adiabatic or
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adiabatic flame temperature.
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So what it does is it basically absorbs heat when the gases
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are cooled.
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And that assists with lowering the adiabatic flame
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temperature.
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I'm not well versed in chemistry there.
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So pronunciation of that is kind of on the fly.
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This also reduces the intense chain reactions responsible
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for
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the fast flame propagation.
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Again, this is what helps reduce the burn rate of gasoline.
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By extension, well, I'll wait till we get to the open
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discussion.
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So throughout my research, I found some pre-existing
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literature,
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we'll call it, that gives credence.
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And we have to have a hat tip back to Michael Faraday.
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Many years ago, I read the book, The Chemical History of a
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Candle,
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which Michael delivered to what he considered a juvenile
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audience in 1848.
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One of the particularly interesting portions of it is as
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you see here,
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he basically discusses a jar of air with a candle, and he
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places the jar over it.
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And he basically reports that rather than the flame going
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out instantaneously,
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you see a slow fading effect until it at last goes out.
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And then he asks why.
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And essentially, he says that the jar is full of or
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it's originally full of fresh air, but as it's becoming
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partly changed,
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there's not a sufficient amount of fresh air to maintain
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combustion of the candle.
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Now, obviously Michael Faraday didn't know what Stan was
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doing.
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But what he's essentially describing is the same mechanism
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that Stan used.
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And in an experiment to prove Michael Faraday's
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observations,
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I just used a simple candle and I put it into a glass jar.
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And as you can see, I quantify each stage and
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the reduction of the flame, as you see, until it's almost
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out in stage four.
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So that provides a graphical representation of the effect
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that Stan's referencing here.
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So, as I said, there's two embodiments of the technology.
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The quenching nozzle disc, and some instances he calls it a
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nozzle.
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Other instances he calls it a disc, it's just kind of
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dependent upon application.
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It's composed of an alumina ceramic material, which is very
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readily available,
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and was quite common even back in the 80s.
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His literature describes a minimum functional thickness of
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at least 1/8 of an inch.
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With an orifice diameter no larger than 15,000ths of an
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inch.
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Which is about 0.38 millimeter.
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The ones, the orifice size that Chris and
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I's quenching discs are is actually smaller than that.
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It's like 0.254, it's 10,000ths of an inch.
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So, alumina ceramic is molded and
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it's obviously cured in like a kiln, as most ceramics are.
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But as we see down here at the bottom, the bottom center,
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we can see a single port that he had made on his actual
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demo cell.
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To the right, we can see the flame that's in a video of
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Stan's
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provided to us by [name removed].
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And then we see the multi port flame pattern of the quenching
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disc.
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So here's a closer view of the quenching disc.
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I believe this is from earlier state pictures and
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those released by Don Gabel.
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I believe this is prior to that in Charlie Holbrook's
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garage or basement.
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More of these will be coming out.
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They're just another angle or up close shots of the various
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parts.
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It's basically just other views of what Don Gabel released.
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But as we can see, there's some interesting
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artifacts here on the quenching disc that was used by Stan.
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We can kind of see in the center there, there seems to be a
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browning or
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really high intensity temperature potentially.
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This area is most obviously the most it's exposed to the
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flame front.
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Then we see what looks like a increase in diameter area
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where there's some yellowing.
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This could just be gaseous artifacts from the combustion.
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We don't really know.
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I mean, we can't do a spectrometry spectrochromatograph
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analysis.
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That's what it is.
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What is interesting to note though is on the brass fitting
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that Stan has here,
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you can see some what looks like oxidation of the brass.
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But for anyone that will know, and we'll show the video
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here shortly of Chris and
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I's replication of the quenching disc, the brass is still
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intact for the most part.
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And if anybody knows when you're dealing with hydrogen and
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oxygen flames,
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that's kind of counterintuitive to the amount of
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temperature that is produced.
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So there's some other interesting characteristics I want to
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bring up.
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First and foremost, the pressure to rise supply.
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So due to the orifice size being so small, when you have
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pressure behind a small area,
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this is kind of very similar to industrial water jet metal
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cutting.
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So the velocity of the gases is gonna be very substantial
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as they come out of the hole.
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And in my interpretation, this serves two purposes.
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We're assuming that the proper pressure is maintained.
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The flow is going to prevent ignition from sparking back
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simply due to velocity of
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the expelling gases.
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But secondly, the surface of the ceramic disc remains
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cooler because the flame
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front is pushed away from the surface by even if a small
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amount.
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And this obviously has a limitation depending on if you encase
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it in some type
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of thermal encasement, like a heating apparatus or what
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have you.
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So that would obviously increase the localized temperature
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that the disc and
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the fitting or the disc recession or holder is gonna be
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exposed to.
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So basically, the alumina is also useful because you have
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oxygen inside
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this gas mixture that's being combusted.
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It also avoids oxidation, like what would be exposed or
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experienced by metal.
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And of course, you see alumina due to high temperature.
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It basically won't have such a great thermal expansion of
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the orifice size.
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So you can maintain tolerance.
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So here's our replicated quenching discs.
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We have a single port and we have 10 port.
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All the holes are 10 thousandths inch diameter.
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So we have the quenching tube.
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Now the quenching tube is simply an elongated quenching
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nozzle or disc.
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The holes are still the same.
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I go down to 10 thousandths up to 15 thousandths.
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And you have multiple channels that are range colinear to
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one another throughout
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longitudinal axis of the tubing.
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We can see from the estate photos that one of the later
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implementations
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appears to have encased more rigid plastic channels like HDPE
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or similar
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into what looks like a surrounding more flexible, maybe a urethane
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based plastic.
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So obviously that maintains distance.
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But as we can see on the very far right, there looks like a
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hard molded plastic
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that would allow obviously a compression fitting for
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sealing.
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So speculation for making quenching tubes.
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And I have to kind of disclaimer that I've not done this.
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I have not proven this yet, but these are some of my ideas.
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And obviously, you know, you're dealing with explosive
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gases.
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So I would recommend anybody actually trying this.
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But I did have struggles as far as transparency here.
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I had struggles in today's modern American manufacturing
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world where
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companies didn't know how to accomplish making the quenching
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discs that Stan did
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in the 1980s.
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So I was forced to go overseas and some nice people in
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China made them for a lot
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less cost and they are very functional.
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That being said, and the reason why I say it is because I
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highly doubt there's
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going to be many companies that are up to the task to make
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the quenching disc.
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So in the spirit of Stan making it into your garage, there
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has been two methods.
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One is micro tubing bundles that you can buy and I have
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bought from Fisher Scientific.
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They have like a 12,000 hole diameter, I believe.
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I think they're used in some specialized medical
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applications.
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But essentially what you do is you cut predetermined length
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and you put them
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into bundles such as six each or what have you.
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And a lot of people will glue around them.
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Now you obviously have to fill the empty spaces between the
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outside of each
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tubing.
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Otherwise, gases can go between and you kind of defeat the
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purpose of making
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a quenching tube.
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Combat that.
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You could make little bundles such as six each which I give
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here and you devise
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a way of securing them with spacing relative to one another
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just like the
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quenching tube that we see here.
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And you can pour a liquid epoxy, maybe a polyurethane or
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something
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that's rigid but also flexible.
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The most likely case of doing this would be, as I mentioned
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here, you're
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going to have to have some form of a vacuum chamber that
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this tubing is going
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to sit in and once you evacuate it to remove air and
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bubbles, you should be
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able to force out the air enough that the epoxy is going to
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fill in between
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the tubing and create a perfect, well, as perfect a seal as
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you can.
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So once the epoxy cures, obviously the microtubing also
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shouldn't collapse
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internally due to the pressure or the equalized rigidity
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around each tubing.
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So another one of the options is to arrange the small, or
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to arrange small
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diameter metallic wires such as a guitar string I think is
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one of the smallest
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in your ten thousandths and you're going to pull tension on
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those and you're
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going to put them into a mold and then you're going to
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inject molten plastic
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or semi-flexible epoxy resin, whatever the case may be, and
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once that cures,
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you may be able to heat the wire just enough to pull out or
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probably more
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ideally you're going to use a lower temperature epoxy and/or
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thermoplastic
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and you would lubricate the wiring to be able to be removed
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effectively.
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Obviously heating is not the preferred method because you
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might end up affecting
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the resultant or messing up the diameter of the channel. So
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if Chris doesn't have
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anything to add at this point, we will play the video. Here
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we go.
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Chris is going to show you first. The full video is on
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Chris's YouTube and
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Stan's Legacy YouTube. I shortened it just for the
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principles of the
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presentation. Put propane on so let's get wire.
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I'm going to lift the other half. The other half doesn't
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melt.
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As we've seen there, Chris is showing a control using a
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conventional propane
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torch on the 304 stainless steel wire that he had and then
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as you seen he turns the valve supplying HHO directly to
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I
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the quenching disk and
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we can see that upon contact you have incandescence really
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right there of the
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wire. So that is very hot and in our experiment you can see
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sparks coming off
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and that's basically causing incandescent heat to the point
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where you
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have released molten little specks of stainless. So simple
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terms it's freaking
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hot. Yep looks identical to the footage that's floating
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That's really cool.
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That looks a lot like Stan's Paperclip.
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around of them using the
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demo cell to melt the paperclips. Oh one of the interesting
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things after the
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Chris and I believe I
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were able to touch the ceramic disk surface pretty much
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instantaneously
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after he just melted three or four stainless. Now it's the
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flame I mean you
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can you can hold your hand maybe about 18 inches away and
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burned but after the flame is extinguished you can
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immediately touch
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Right so that further
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That's right.
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reinforces the the gases are being pushed away essentially
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It was cold.
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The fitting and everything was cold.
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we've come to the conclusion that there's also through
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there's a lot of people that come by this and everybody
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kind of scoffs at it
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obviously give them subject matter I mean it is rather fantastical
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when you
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hear it but the reality is this is that I have an
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engineering background Christos
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too so we are adhering to very strict principles in proving
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guy made a water power
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car and some boogeyman killed him and unfortunately we are
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we can tell and what
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we've seen what we've been given has wouldn't go to the
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engineering
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short we would appreciate if you would just share our roundtable
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discussions
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yeah
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you
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you
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all you had all right so the really cool thing here that
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kind of I'm glad we got
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this even though it was grainy this is just kind of a nerdy
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enjoyment but we
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were burning copper wire actually so one it kind of looks
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like a little mini
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lightsaber to do correct me if I'm wrong but if you stick a
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metal into a flame
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and it like really burns the color you're essentially
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approaching what is
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that like a mission spectrum or something so to take copper
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wire at room
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temperature and get it so hot that's practically vaporizing
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the flame is well
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over 3,000 degrees I would say Stan says 5,000 and I can
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believe it so I will
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say do what yeah it's it's up there I don't remember verbatim
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but it's up
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there so we tested with the single port and the 10 port the
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designed in such a way to Stan alludes to in one of his
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patterns that if you
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have a one of the orifices if you have a multi-port disc
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and one of the ports
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goes out or whatever is extinguished the other ones and
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close proximity will
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reignite so that's kind of the design methodology there for
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the 10 port which
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we yeah so let's see
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yeah yeah I do remember that it didn't the best of my
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knowledge did not flash
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back and for those listening we took every safety
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precaution we had a bubbler
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know we had it was
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outside the mortar shell was outside if known the other
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side of all so we took
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every safety precaution but as far as we can tell and we're
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not sponsored by
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underwriters laboratory by any means but there was no spark
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back now I can't I
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wouldn't comfortably definitively say that that is for
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every case I'm sure
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there's some awkward weird whatever but you wouldn't again
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without the quenching
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tube at this time being made and used in conjunction with
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the disc I certainly
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wouldn't recommend anybody trying to run it without safety
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precautions but we
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took every safety precaution we could sensibly do and as
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individuals and we
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proved it so one of the things that I'm working on is a
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large plate cell that is
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not there's no added electrolytes so when I say cells I'm
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not doing convince
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well I'm not doing electrolysis even though well
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technically I am doing
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electrolysis because I'm using tap water and or rainwater
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but the voltage is high
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enough that current will eventually flow but the point is
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of this plate cell is
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I'm not claiming it's a Meyer process it's going to be used
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as a test platform
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to be big enough to see how much volume of gas raw gas does
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this quenching disc
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use another part of the support that was requested or
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talked about is because
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obviously everything's expensive I personally can't afford
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out-of-pocket
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machining I have to go overseas to China and they do a
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wonderful job hands down
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but they're on par I mean three thousands tolerance to
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slide an electrode
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in and it was three thousands on the money so they're
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freaking good yeah so
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no issues with them it's just the obviously they added
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price of getting it
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over here but the reason why is because something is now
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that we've seen that
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this disc works the large cell I'm building is just to do
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volume testing
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for how much gas does a single port use for a given
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pressure and obviously a
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test enclosure is going to need to be machined obviously
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preferably at a
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stainless steel given the heat and that will allow capture
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cooling and
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recirculating of exhaust gases to see how we can lower the
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temperature there
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will need to be some kind of thermal couple inside that can
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resist startup
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temperatures shouldn't be an issue because I'm sure we can
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adjust the
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flame rate quickly after but in order to get this in
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progress quicker progress
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that's kind of the path that I'm kind of thinking is the
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next step is to put this
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baby in a little enclosure that we can recirculate exhaust
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gases once we know
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how much volume of gas is required to keep it constantly
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going and my
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assumption is is that if again I don't have tangible
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numbers as a speculation
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but given stands chart the fact that the hydrogen and
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oxygen seven times as fast
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one would think if you mix in seven to one ratio you're
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probably going to get
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down to normal hydrocarbon base fuel burning so by that you
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would think that
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seven times the volume I guess seven to one ratio so if the
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math works out I
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would assume at best 100% math equivalency which isn't real
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but for
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sake of argument you should need I guess seven times
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reduction in your HHO supply
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or six times whatever it turns out to equal you know like
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propane or what have
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you so while the raw gas volume or milliliters per minute
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might be a lot
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when you start mixing into lower to the application like
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heating you're
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probably going to use much less HHO
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doing what Stan did,
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you have to consider the purity by volume of the gas, right?
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So Stan cites Steven Horvath patents that indicates just
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you
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the application of
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a unipolar DC pulse on conventional electrolysis.
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The byproduct is actually 85% vapor and only 15% hydrogen,
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right?
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So these whole concepts that are in people's heads about,
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oh, I need 11 liters per minute to run a 1600 cc engine.
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Stan would have needed it for that.
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That may be true when you're pumping 85% steam vapor into
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the engine.
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by applying the unipolar DC pulse to it and his process,
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the electrical polarization process, he was able to raise
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that to 99.5% hydrogen
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and only 0.05% vapor in it.
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better.
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So thus you need eight times less gas to do the same amount
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right yeah very true and I guess if once we start to get a
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of work.
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Eight times less volume to do the same amount of work.
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Another out of the box efficiency that's not considered.
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better handle on
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getting more volume for using the VIC arrangement obviously
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you could put
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thermocouples on something and or not I'm sorry not thermal
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couple was called
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Piltier thermopiles yeah so I mean realistically you could
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even generate
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some form of electricity to you know I charge a battery
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Yeah, thermopiles, yeah.
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maybe or something and
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you know from this process so I do I do have the I guess
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maybe we can this is
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off-topic I hit you up on discord but yeah but
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realistically I mean what
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we've proven just in this little presentation that video we
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did is we did
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prove the claims as far as we can tell of the quenching
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disk technology and
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it's very poetic I guess you could call it or
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amazing I guess you could essentially say that how simple
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how simple it is but
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how impactful the implications are it's just a really tiny
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hole in a ceramic so
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you know
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Yeah, so for some context around that demonstration,
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half inch tubes,
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we were using a six inch cavity, the three quarter inch,
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six inches long encased in Delrin.
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It was a cell I got from Max Miller.
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And we had to, it was a big long hose, so it took a minute
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to charge it up.
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We watched the pressure gauge to climb up to about 15 PSI
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you
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to give us a few seconds of hydrogen flame, right?
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So this is the reason why we went with a single port versus
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the 10 port,
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because we wouldn't have been able to sustain anything at
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all with 10 ports, right?
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So there is this minimum kind of forward pressure PSI
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that we need to produce in order to sustain a flame at the
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expansion
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single port one, right?
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Maybe somewhere around three to five PSI to keep that going.
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But it allowed us to get about five seconds worth of flame
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true and that's why I think the next step at least on my
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to do the test.
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end for me to do
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since I got all the I got all the plates laser or not late
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I don't know they were
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cut somehow and I'll stumble it and we'll get better actual
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flow rates I'm
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hoping to see just how much gas and like you said you know
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if it's three to four
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psi that's nothing
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Right, and we're also operating stupid low wattages, right?
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Like we have this concept in our heads that it's got to use
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zero amps, right?
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Well, that's not necessarily true, especially in Stan's
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many arrangements,
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maybe some, but not all.
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So we had to, it's basically, it's proportional.
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It's more efficient, but you still have a proportionality
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you
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to it
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on how much you're going to put in.
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Stan cites himself about 110 cc per minute,
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which is 0.1 liters a minute out of one three inch cavity
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at one amp leakage.
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So therefore, it's kind of a linear progression that's
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linear with voltage, obviously,
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but it's not the traditional sense where it's proportionate
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you
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to amp flow.
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But there's still is leakage, there's still is some leakage.
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And Stan was just exploiting that, right?
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You just cut it back as much as you can.
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You're still going to use some, but his process,
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everything about his process was designed to make it as
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least as possible.
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So thus, you're going to have some reduction in gas
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until you get into the more advanced stuff that he did
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where he made runaway geometrical yield progression from
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and all these other even more fantastic things that we've
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resident action
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true and what would be the interesting thing at the end of
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yet to prove.
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You're getting just highly efficient conventional in a
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sense.
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this is if we had a
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test apparatus that we can recycle the exhaust or the gases
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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and get down to you
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know comparable to like propane and natural gas but if we
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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can get some like
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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thermal heat sink to heat water and run it through a heat
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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exchanger you know I
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mean if you're you know if you're using 500 watts to be
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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able to heat a house
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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because the the bigger non exotic chemical energy released
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Chris Bake
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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So, yeah, that's a good question.
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in H.H.O. because
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I don't think you could hold your hand more than what it
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was like 18 inches or
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something over the flame
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yeah I mean it was I mean your hand was well above it
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comfort wise so and that
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Yeah, not that much.
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flame was like you know a tiny little jet so it's I mean
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Yeah.
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the heat energy is
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going to be rather substantial especially if you put it in
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something
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that's thermally conductive like aluminum or what have you
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Mm-hmm.
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yeah I'm okay with that maybe I'll have my big giant honkin
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Yeah, for sure.
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Well, we hope to do some more tests.
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I know we're going to get together here real soon.
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And we'll probably be doing another live in-person
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demonstration for everybody.
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Might be able to go live with episode while we're there.
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Maybe more than one.
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plate so ready to
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go we'll see we'll see if we can keep a flame going
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Yep.
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Yeah, that'd be cool.
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I mean, I have mine too.
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Yeah, I haven't tried to cook it yet.
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But there's certainly always the alternative approach of
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turning the variac all the way up.
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You know, still using unipolar pulses because they do
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promote much better progression.
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But, you know, definitely using a few amps to do it.
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But it allows us to test the clutching disk, you know,
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yeah yeah I mean we you know we're obviously in the infancy
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of it I mean
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without having the whole process in effect, if you will.
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can't you know pull out the exotic stuff but yeah so that
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goes back to the
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importance of I guess garnering support because you know we
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have our energy
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situation now regardless of how we got here the fact is we
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are here so but
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there are solutions and we have at least proven a proven a
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percentage or a small
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percentage of Stan's tech and you know it's my god we have
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what the expanded
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tech brief I mean he talks about the quenching disc and
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like what 1982 or
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something so we're talking 44 years old that the technology
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has been around and
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still not implemented so for any of those that see this you
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Yeah.
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know you can
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assist it's appreciated because we're serious about proving
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it but in a
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tangible way not go fund me because I have an idea so I'm
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Yep.
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Right.
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okay yeah so I'm
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Nothing ever moves that way.
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kind of uh kind of out of things to mention so if you
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Yeah, all right.
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Well, no, I think we're good.
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I'd like to thank everybody for watching, or those who are
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willing to watch in the future.
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As we continue to build the channel, hopefully we can get
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some more people interacting.
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I always look forward to people to ask questions.
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We're streaming out to YouTube and probably rumble soon.
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you
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But also from the website, there is a 24, 48 hour delay for
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YouTube to process the lives once they're completed,
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before they're published on the channel.
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However, you can come to our website and we're there live
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immediately afterwards,
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along with the transcription.
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And anything that was mentioned in the video, the website
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will automatically cite articles
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and things from the website right in the video page.
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So you'll be able to click on them and read more about each
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yeah thanks thanks to everybody for watching and hopefully
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thing that was discussed.
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So very helpful.
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So yeah, with that, we will see you guys next time.
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I didn't grown on
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Thank you for joining and stay tuned.
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too much and I uh my Midwest accent wasn't too too bad to
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bear so thanks for
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watching guys
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Yep.
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All righty. Bye.
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