8XA - 3x Series Tubular
3 tubular cells in series for higher voltage capability.
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The parts
- The cell Tubular - 3x Series 3/4" x 8" — water cell tubular
- Water Distilled Water — Distilled
- Charging choke Positive Choke - 100 Turns AWG18 — AWG 18 Copper AWG 18
- Its core Ferrite Toroid T130-2 — T130 toroid
- Blocking choke Negative Choke - 100 Turns AWG18 — AWG 18 Copper AWG 18
- Its core Ferrite Toroid T130-2 — T130 toroid
- Transformer none
From the parts
Every number handed to the simulation that you did not type, and where it came from. Each derivation that ran a calculation links to that calculation's page with these numbers in, so it can be checked alone.
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σ On the way 0.7813 µS/cm
Distilled Water's conductivity, from its dissolved solids reading.
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L₁ Charging choke 137.5 µH
The charging choke's inductance: 100 turns on Ferrite Toroid T130-2 (μᵣ 10, 0.36 cm², 3.29 cm path).
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L₂ Blocking choke 137.5 µH
The blocking choke's inductance: 100 turns on Ferrite Toroid T130-2 (μᵣ 10, 0.36 cm², 3.29 cm path).
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R Series resistance 0.4923 Ω
Series resistance, added up: Positive Choke - 100 Turns AWG18 0.0962 Ω + Negative Choke - 100 Turns AWG18 0.0962 Ω + Tubular - 3x Series 3/4" x 8" 0.3 Ω. Wiring and connections are not counted.
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C Cell capacitance 2.189 nF
One tube of Tubular - 3x Series 3/4" x 8" — 0.5 in over 0.75 in, 8 in long — in distilled / deionised at 25 °C.
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C Cell capacitance 729.5 pF
3 such cells in series. The inductance handed to the array calculation is the two chokes added plainly, for its resonance figure only; the capacitance does not depend on it.
Multi-cell array — 2 notes on that page
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ℓ Cell leak resistance 12.19 kΩ
The leak across one tube, from its geometry and Distilled Water at 0.781 µS/cm. 3 such cells in series: 3 times that.
Result
Where the loop — both chokes and the cell — actually rings. Compare with the drive frequency.
Both chokes together, with the mutual term if they are coupled.
Signed: positive aiding, negative opposing, zero if independent.
√(L/C) — what the loop looks like at resonance before resistance.
How sharp the resonance is against the series resistance.
The cell voltage at resonance — Q times the drive.
Below 1 the loop rings after each pulse; above 1 it sags.
How fast the ring dies away.
What the drive pushes at the drive frequency, not at resonance.
Dissipated in the resistance, averaged over pulses and gate.
How many pulses arrive before the gate closes.
Where the step-charge staircase tops out against the leak, after n pulses.
LaTeX
355.3\,\mathrm{kHz} = \frac{1}{2\pi \sqrt{275\,\mathrm{µH} \cdot 729.5\,\mathrm{pF}}}
Worth knowing
- Q factor and voltage rise — A Q of 1247 is very high for a circuit with water in it, and implies a bandwidth of only 284.9 Hz. Confirm the series resistance includes the cell’s own losses — using just the choke’s winding resistance is the usual way to arrive at a Q like this on paper and not on the bench.
- Current and power under a pulsed drive — The drive is at 0.03× the loop's resonance (355 kHz). The net reactance of -21.8 kΩ is what limits the current here, not the resistance; on resonance the same drive would push 24.4 A.
- Step charging accumulation — Only 0% of the voltage survives between pulses, so there is no staircase — each pulse is very nearly starting from nothing. The cell is discharging through the water faster than it is being charged.
- Step charging accumulation — The burst reaches 2% of what perfect retention would give. Raising the drive frequency shortens the gap between pulses and helps; raising the water resistance helps far more.
- The drive is at 10 kHz and the loop rings at 355 kHz — 0.03× resonance. The resonant rise of 15 kV above is what this loop would do driven on resonance; at the drive frequency the cell sees the drive through -21.8 kΩ of reactance instead. Either move the drive or change a choke so the two agree.
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The working, step by step
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1. Pulse train timing
n 50The drive as timing: how long each pulse is, how many fit inside one gate, and what fraction of the time the drive is on.
With these numbers LaTeX
100\,\mathrm{µs} = \frac{1}{10\,\mathrm{kHz}} \qquad 50\,\mathrm{µs} = 100\,\mathrm{µs} \cdot \frac{50\,\mathrm{%}}{100} \qquad 50 = \left\lfloor \frac{50\,\mathrm{%}}{100} \cdot \frac{10\,\mathrm{kHz}}{100\,\mathrm{Hz}} \right\rfloor \qquad 25\,\mathrm{%} = \frac{50\,\mathrm{%} \cdot 50\,\mathrm{%}}{100} -
2. Two chokes on one core
L 275 µHThe two chokes as the loop sees them — their sum, plus or minus the mutual term if they share a core.
With these numbers LaTeX
0\,\mathrm{mH} = \pm 0 \sqrt{137.5\,\mathrm{µH} \cdot 137.5\,\mathrm{µH}} \qquad 275\,\mathrm{µH} = 137.5\,\mathrm{µH} + 137.5\,\mathrm{µH} + 2 \cdot 0\,\mathrm{mH} \qquad 137.5\,\mathrm{µH} = 137.5\,\mathrm{µH} + 0\,\mathrm{mH} -
3. Series LC resonant frequency
f 355.3 kHzWhere that inductance and the cell ring.
With these numbers LaTeX
355.3\,\mathrm{kHz} = \frac{1}{2\pi\sqrt{275\,\mathrm{µH} \cdot 729.5\,\mathrm{pF}}} -
4. Q factor and voltage rise
Q 1247How sharply, against everything resistive in the loop, and how far the cell voltage rises above the drive on resonance.
With these numbers LaTeX
1247 = \frac{1}{0.4923\,\mathrm{Ω}}\sqrt{\frac{275\,\mathrm{µH}}{729.5\,\mathrm{pF}}} \qquad 14.97\,\mathrm{kV} = 1247 \cdot 12\,\mathrm{V} \qquad 284.9\,\mathrm{Hz} = \frac{355.3\,\mathrm{kHz}}{1247}- A Q of 1247 is very high for a circuit with water in it, and implies a bandwidth of only 284.9 Hz. Confirm the series resistance includes the cell’s own losses — using just the choke’s winding resistance is the usual way to arrive at a Q like this on paper and not on the bench.
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5. Damping and ringdown
ζ 0.000401What happens after each pulse: whether the loop rings or sags, and for how long.
With these numbers LaTeX
0.000401 = \frac{0.4923\,\mathrm{Ω}}{2} \sqrt{\frac{729.5\,\mathrm{pF}}{275\,\mathrm{µH}}} \qquad 1.117\,\mathrm{ms} = \frac{2 \cdot 275\,\mathrm{µH}}{0.4923\,\mathrm{Ω}} \qquad 355.3\,\mathrm{kHz} = \frac{1}{2\pi} \sqrt{\frac{1}{275\,\mathrm{µH} \cdot 729.5\,\mathrm{pF}} - \frac{1}{1.117\,\mathrm{ms}^{2}}} \qquad 914.1 = \frac{\ln 10}{\pi} \cdot \frac{1}{0.4923\,\mathrm{Ω}} \sqrt{\frac{275\,\mathrm{µH}}{729.5\,\mathrm{pF}}} -
6. Current and power under a pulsed drive
I 550.5 µAWhat the drive is asked for at the frequency it actually runs at — which is the resonance only if the two agree.
With these numbers LaTeX
-21.8\,\mathrm{kΩ} = 2\pi 10\,\mathrm{kHz} \cdot 275\,\mathrm{µH} - \frac{1}{2\pi 10\,\mathrm{kHz} \cdot 729.5\,\mathrm{pF}} \qquad 21.8\,\mathrm{kΩ} = \sqrt{0.4923\,\mathrm{Ω}^{2} + -21.8\,\mathrm{kΩ}^{2}} \qquad 550.5\,\mathrm{µA} = \frac{12\,\mathrm{V}}{21.8\,\mathrm{kΩ}} \qquad 0.1492\,\mathrm{µW} = 550.5\,\mathrm{µA}^{2} \cdot 0.4923\,\mathrm{Ω} \qquad 0.03729\,\mathrm{µW} = 0.1492\,\mathrm{µW} \cdot \frac{25\,\mathrm{%}}{100} \qquad 0.007459\,\mathrm{nJ} = 0.1492\,\mathrm{µW} \cdot 50\,\mathrm{µs}- The drive is at 0.03× the loop's resonance (355 kHz). The net reactance of -21.8 kΩ is what limits the current here, not the resistance; on resonance the same drive would push 24.4 A.
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7. Step charging accumulation
U 12 VThe pulse train against the cell and its leak: does the charge accumulate into a staircase, or drain away between pulses?
With these numbers LaTeX
8.896\,\mathrm{µs} = 12.19\,\mathrm{kΩ} \cdot 729.5\,\mathrm{pF} \qquad 1.313e-5 = e^{-100\,\mathrm{µs}/8.896\,\mathrm{µs}} \qquad 12\,\mathrm{V} = 12\,\mathrm{V} \cdot \frac{1 - 1.313e-5^{50}}{1 - 1.313e-5}- Only 0% of the voltage survives between pulses, so there is no staircase — each pulse is very nearly starting from nothing. The cell is discharging through the water faster than it is being charged.
- The burst reaches 2% of what perfect retention would give. Raising the drive frequency shortens the gap between pulses and helps; raising the water resistance helps far more.
What this looks like
The formula behind the curve
- f₀
- Resonant frequency, Hz
- L
- Loop inductance, mH
- C
- Cell capacitance, nF
LaTeX
f₀ = \frac{1}{2\pi \sqrt{L \cdot C}}
The formula behind the curve
- f₀
- Resonant frequency, Hz
- L
- Loop inductance, mH
- C
- Cell capacitance, nF
LaTeX
f₀ = \frac{1}{2\pi \sqrt{L \cdot C}}
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