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NeuralStan
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This is What the Water Introduces to the Metal, an episode made by the archive at Stan's Legacy.
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NeuralStan
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I am NeuralStan, and I am a machine, not a man.
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NeuralStan
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Tonight, the ritual.
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NeuralStan
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Every builder conditions their tubes.
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NeuralStan
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Nobody agrees what conditioning is.
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Evil Stan
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I know what it is.
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NeuralStan
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So does everybody, and they all know something different.
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NeuralStan
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But they are not imagining the result, and by the end of this we will know which one of the Meyer brothers was closer.
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Evil Stan
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Brothers.
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Evil Stan
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Plural.
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Evil Stan
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Oh, this is going somewhere.
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NeuralStan
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Here is Stan's account, and it is worth taking seriously, because it is a description of something real before it is an explanation of it.
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Stan Meyer (synthetic voice)
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The stainless steel T three oh four material that forms voltage zones undergo particle alignment of its atomic structure, after a pre-set time.
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Stan Meyer (synthetic voice)
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The newly formed molecular electrical orientation remains in electrical atomic alignment after pulse off-time, to supply a sufficient residual atomic electrical charge field.
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NeuralStan
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The sentence usually stops being quoted there, and the next clause is the testable one.
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Stan Meyer (synthetic voice)
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Allowing the resultant Surface Polarity Effect, skin effect, to supply a sufficient residual atomic electrical charge field to help maintain molecular alignment of water atoms during pulsing operations.
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NeuralStan
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So there are four claims, not three.
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NeuralStan
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The change takes time to develop.
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NeuralStan
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It survives the pulse switching off.
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NeuralStan
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It leaves a residual field behind.
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NeuralStan
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And that field holds the water's alignment through the gap between pulses.
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Evil Stan
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And anybody who has conditioned a set of tubes will recognise the first three.
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Evil Stan
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You run the cell for hours, the water clouds and then stops, the current settles, and when you come back the next day it has stayed settled.
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NeuralStan
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He is describing exactly what happens.
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NeuralStan
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Notice also where he puts it: surface material, surface polarity, skin effect.
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NeuralStan
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He is not saying the change is inside the steel.
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NeuralStan
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He is saying it is on the face of it.
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NeuralStan
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And this is the figure the passage points at, which turns the claim into something you could photograph.
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NeuralStan
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The pulse train goes in, the voltage across the plates climbs in steps, and there is a switch-off voltage marked on it: the level it drops back to when the pulse stops, rather than to zero.
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Stan Meyer (synthetic voice)
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The pulse train is then switched off.
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Stan Meyer (synthetic voice)
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The voltage across the water capacitor drops to the amount of charge that the water molecules have taken on.
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Stan Meyer (synthetic voice)
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That is, voltage is maintained across the charged capacitor.
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Stan Meyer (synthetic voice)
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The pulse train is then reapplied.
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Evil Stan
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So the claim is that the plate holds a charge between pulses and the next pulse does not start from nothing.
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Evil Stan
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Which is a scope trace.
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Evil Stan
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Ten megohm probe, look at the off-time, fit the decay.
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NeuralStan
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And it is the measurement that speaks directly to conditioning, because a thicker, cleaner film should hold it longer.
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NeuralStan
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Do it before you condition and after, and you have tested his own sentence with his own apparatus.
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Evil Stan
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Thirty-five years, and as far as this archive can tell nobody has put a probe on the off-time.
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NeuralStan
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But the mechanism he gives is atomic alignment inside the material, and that is where it fails.
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NeuralStan
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Put an electric field on a metal and its electrons move until they have cancelled it.
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NeuralStan
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How far in does the field get before it is gone?
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NeuralStan
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About five hundredths of a nanometre.
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NeuralStan
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A fifth of one atom.
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Evil Stan
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A fifth of an atom.
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Evil Stan
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So there is nothing in there to align.
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NeuralStan
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There is nothing in there to align, and it is not a small effect you could beat with more voltage.
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NeuralStan
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It is the definition of a conductor.
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NeuralStan
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A metal has no interior field, and that is why it conducts.
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NeuralStan
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So the mechanism does not survive.
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NeuralStan
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But hold on to where he put it, because he put it at the surface, and the surface is a different place with different rules.
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NeuralStan
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Something does change at that surface, and it is well documented.
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NeuralStan
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Three-oh-four stainless is not bare metal.
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NeuralStan
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It wears an oxide film one to three nanometres thick, and it is a bilayer: chromium oxide against the metal, iron oxide on the outside facing the water.
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NeuralStan
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That film is the entire reason stainless steel is stainless.
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NeuralStan
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And it thickens when you hold the metal positive.
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NeuralStan
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The corrosion literature measures it: about a nanometre at a tenth of a volt, one point eight at nine tenths, in a laboratory buffer.
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Evil Stan
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After a pre-set time.
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NeuralStan
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Not quite, and this is worth separating because it changes the recipe.
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NeuralStan
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High-field oxide growth is logarithmic and mostly finished in minutes, not days.
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NeuralStan
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What takes days is the other thing happening at the same time: the free iron smeared across the surface by machining is dissolving away.
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Evil Stan
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So the film is quick and the cleaning is slow.
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Evil Stan
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And the forums time the process by the cleaning, because that is the part you can see going brown in the jar.
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NeuralStan
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Here is the whole geography on one axis, from inside the metal out to the far tube, because every argument about this cell is an argument about which of these layers matters.
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NeuralStan
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Inside the metal, five hundredths of a nanometre, and nothing.
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NeuralStan
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Then the Helmholtz layer in the water, three tenths of a nanometre.
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NeuralStan
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Then the conditioned oxide, about one point eight.
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NeuralStan
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Then the diffuse layer, around eighteen nanometres in his twenty-parts-per-million rain water.
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NeuralStan
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And then the water gap, which is two million, two hundred and eighty-six thousand nanometres.
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Evil Stan
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Two million.
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Evil Stan
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Against eighteen.
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Evil Stan
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I paid for two metres of plumbing and I am using twenty nanometres of it.
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NeuralStan
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You are using all of it, for about twenty milliseconds at a time.
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NeuralStan
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Which is the next scene, and it is the one that puts this picture in its place.
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NeuralStan
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Because where the voltage lives depends on how long you hold it there, and the geography we just drew is the direct-current answer.
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NeuralStan
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The interface is a capacitor: the oxide film in series with the double layer, about four and a half microfarads per square centimetre.
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NeuralStan
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Over the wetted area of one of his tubes that is a bit over half a millifarad, which is an enormous capacitance, and it is a hundred thousand times the four nanofarads of the water gap itself.
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NeuralStan
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And to charge it you have to push through the water's own resistance, which in his twenty-parts-per-million rain water is about forty ohms.
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NeuralStan
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Forty ohms into half a millifarad is twenty-two milliseconds.
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Evil Stan
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Twenty-two milliseconds.
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Evil Stan
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So anything faster than about seven hertz never gets the voltage onto the film at all.
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NeuralStan
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At ten kilohertz the interface has a reactance of three hundredths of an ohm and the bulk water gap has three thousand seven hundred.
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NeuralStan
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During the pulse, effectively all of the applied voltage is across the water, and the twenty nanometres is a short circuit.
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Evil Stan
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Which does not make conditioning fake.
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Evil Stan
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It makes it a slow-signal effect, and it explains something the forums report and nobody accounts for: the conditioning changes show up most clearly at low frequency and on direct current.
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NeuralStan
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So: what conditioning changes, and whether it matters at your frequency, are two different questions.
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NeuralStan
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Both are measurable and neither has been measured.
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NeuralStan
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Which brings us to Stephen, who worked on this cell alongside his brother for twenty years, and who in two thousand and seven sat down with a radio host and explained it completely differently.
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NeuralStan
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He starts with the alloy.
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NeuralStan
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Stainless steel, he says, is about eighteen per cent chrome, about eight per cent nickel, the rest mostly iron.
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NeuralStan
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That is exactly right.
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NeuralStan
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Eighteen-eight is literally what the name of this steel family means, and he has it from memory in a live interview.
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NeuralStan
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Then he says: but it's a doping process.
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NeuralStan
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And we realised the doping process of that metal had a lot of symmetry of transistor technology.
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Evil Stan
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Transistors, in a water cell.
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Evil Stan
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Of course.
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NeuralStan
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Transistors in a water cell.
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NeuralStan
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And before you decide that is the silliest thing you have heard this week, let me tell you what the corrosion journals call that oxide film.
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NeuralStan
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Here is the sentence that makes this episode worth making.
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NeuralStan
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Stephen says: what we realised was that the water that makes contact with the metal sets up a barrier.
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NeuralStan
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It is a barrier technology, and it was an important part of the cell.
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NeuralStan
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The chromium oxide in a passive film is not an insulator.
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NeuralStan
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It is a semiconductor, and the literature on three-oh-four is specific about which kind: the inner chromium oxide layer is p-type and the outer iron oxide layer is n-type.
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NeuralStan
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Two semiconductors, one on top of the other, both grown by the cell.
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Evil Stan
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A p-type layer under an n-type layer.
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Evil Stan
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That is a junction.
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Evil Stan
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That is nearly a diode, in the oxide, two nanometres thick, that the water grew for you.
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NeuralStan
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And against the water there is a third junction: semiconductor to electrolyte, with a space-charge region inside the oxide in series with the Helmholtz layer in the water, which is episode fourteen's double layer one step deeper in.
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Evil Stan
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So when he reaches for transistor technology he is not reaching very far.
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Evil Stan
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There is a p-n structure in that film and it was made by the process he is describing.
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NeuralStan
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But is alloying doping?
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NeuralStan
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No, and the distinction is worth keeping.
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NeuralStan
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Doping is parts per million of a deliberate impurity in a semiconductor, to move where its Fermi level sits.
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NeuralStan
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Eighteen per cent chromium in iron is metallurgy: it changes what the alloy is, not what a band structure does.
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Evil Stan
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So he has the wrong word.
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NeuralStan
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He has the wrong word for the alloy and the right word for the film, which is the part he is actually talking about.
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NeuralStan
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The oxide is doped, by its own defects and by ions arriving from the water, at carrier densities of ten to the twenty per cubic centimetre and upwards.
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NeuralStan
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Which is why his own better line is the one to keep.
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NeuralStan
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Do not ask what the metal introduces to the water.
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NeuralStan
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Ask what the water introduces to the metal.
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NeuralStan
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There is one more thing in that interview and it made me smile rather than wince.
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NeuralStan
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Stephen explains where the idea of an electron band came from, and he tells it through Enrico Fermi — working in Chicago, he says, under the football stadium.
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NeuralStan
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Fermi was under the football stands at Chicago.
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NeuralStan
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That was nineteen forty-two, and he was building the first nuclear reactor.
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NeuralStan
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The statistics that put his name on the Fermi level are from nineteen twenty-six, in Italy, and have nothing to do with it.
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Evil Stan
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Same man though.
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NeuralStan
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The same man, sixteen years and an entire field apart, and Stephen has fused the two.
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NeuralStan
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I think that is how most of us hold the history of physics in our heads, and I would rather someone reached for Fermi and got the decade wrong than never reached at all.
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NeuralStan
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And since we are auditing, two of ours.
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NeuralStan
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There is a page on this archive called The Fermi Level Barrier.
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NeuralStan
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It says that in the absence of external influences, the Fermi level of three-oh-four L stainless steel is typically located within the energy band gap of the material.
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NeuralStan
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That is wrong.
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NeuralStan
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A metal does not have a band gap at its Fermi level.
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NeuralStan
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The level sits inside a partly filled band, with empty states immediately above it, and that is precisely why a metal conducts.
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NeuralStan
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If it had a gap there it would be a semiconductor.
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Evil Stan
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And the second one?
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NeuralStan
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A page called General Conditioning Principles says that chromium is a common impurity in natural water and that the chromium oxide forms from chromium ions in the water.
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NeuralStan
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It does not.
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NeuralStan
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The chromium is the eighteen per cent that is already in the steel, and the film grows out of the alloy, not out of the jar.
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Evil Stan
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Two pages.
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Evil Stan
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A film about checking other people's arithmetic has no business skipping its own.
12:04
NeuralStan
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So what do people actually do?
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NeuralStan
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This archive holds three hundred and eighty-one forum posts that mention conditioning, and the recipes converge.
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NeuralStan
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Run the cell for days in distilled water.
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NeuralStan
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Change the water when it clouds.
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NeuralStan
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Keep going until the residue stops coming off.
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NeuralStan
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Watch the current settle, and when it stops falling, you are done.
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Evil Stan
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Three hundred and eighty-one posts, and the recipe fits on a jam-jar label: distilled water, days, change it when it clouds.
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Evil Stan
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Which is also, word for word, how you make stock.
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NeuralStan
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Some people use citric or nitric acid, which is the industrial method.
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NeuralStan
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Bob Boyce described building what he called a catalytic layer on the plates.
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NeuralStan
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And in two thousand and thirteen somebody put up a thread titled Stan Meyer's big secret, electropolished stainless steel, and worked out that chromium oxide has a dielectric constant like the aluminium oxide in an electrolytic capacitor.
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NeuralStan
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And notice what changing the water does, because it is doing two jobs.
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NeuralStan
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It takes the dissolved iron out, and it resets the water's conductivity.
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NeuralStan
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Which means three things are moving at once in every one of those recipes: the film, the surface, and the water.
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NeuralStan
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So: is conditioning passivation?
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NeuralStan
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Essentially, yes, and the encouraging thing is that it is not a fringe procedure at all.
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NeuralStan
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It has a standard.
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NeuralStan
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A S T M A nine six seven.
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NeuralStan
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Citric acid or nitric acid, to dissolve the free iron that machining smears across the surface, so the chromium oxide can re-form clean and continuous.
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NeuralStan
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Electropolishing does the same job anodically, and it is what surgical instruments get.
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NeuralStan
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The community arrived at the same chemistry from the other end, by trial, over years, in buckets, with no instruments and no standard to check against.
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Evil Stan
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And they got it right.
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NeuralStan
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Essentially right, and slower.
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NeuralStan
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The acid does in thirty minutes what days of distilled water do, because it is attacking the free iron directly.
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NeuralStan
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Which is worth knowing if your conditioning takes a week.
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Evil Stan
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Three variables, one recipe.
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Evil Stan
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Separate them: one tube by the forum method, one by half an hour in warm citric acid, one straight out of the box.
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Evil Stan
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Same fresh water in all three, and log the conductivity, because the water is the third electrode.
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NeuralStan
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Which leaves the observation everyone actually cares about.
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NeuralStan
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Why does the current go down?
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NeuralStan
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The usual answer is that the film is a semiconductor and you have made it thicker, so every electron crossing between the metal and the water has a harder crossing.
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NeuralStan
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That is true, and it is Meyer's own picture: figure seven dash fourteen is his plot of voltage against amp leakage, with the leakage inhibited.
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NeuralStan
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But there is a second reason, and it is the one nobody names.
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NeuralStan
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Before you condition, some of your current is not making gas at all.
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NeuralStan
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It is dissolving iron.
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NeuralStan
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The free iron smeared over the surface leaves as ferrous ions, two electrons each, no hydrogen, no oxygen.
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NeuralStan
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That is the cloudy residue.
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Evil Stan
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And Stephen says so in the interview.
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Evil Stan
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The brown material, he says, is coming from the metal.
15:34
NeuralStan
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So as the free iron goes, that current goes with it, and the ammeter falls without anything getting worse.
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NeuralStan
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Which is measurable, because it comes with a receipt.
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NeuralStan
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One gram of iron is nought point nine six amp-hours.
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NeuralStan
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Filter the sludge, dry it, weigh it, and you have the number of amp-hours that were never going to make gas.
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Evil Stan
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The brown stuff is iron at fifty-six grams per two faradays.
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Evil Stan
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It is the only part of this hobby that comes with a receipt.
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NeuralStan
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In Meyer's framework current is waste.
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NeuralStan
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Voltage does the work and amps are the enemy.
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NeuralStan
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So an ammeter that falls during conditioning reads as unambiguous success, and that is how the forums read it, and it is a perfectly reasonable thing to think.
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NeuralStan
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But the sentence that explains the falling current is: charge now finds it harder to cross the interface.
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NeuralStan
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And that is also, word for word, the definition of a worse electrolyser.
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Evil Stan
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The same sentence.
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NeuralStan
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The same sentence, and one ammeter reading cannot tell you which of the two you are looking at.
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NeuralStan
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Nobody is being foolish.
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NeuralStan
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The measurement is the obvious one and the easy one.
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NeuralStan
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It just does not separate the hypotheses.
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NeuralStan
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The one that does is gas per coulomb.
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NeuralStan
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Faraday allows six hundred and twenty-seven millilitres of mixed gas per amp-hour, which is ten and a half millilitres a minute per ampere.
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NeuralStan
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Divide what you collected by the charge that crossed and you have a single number that says which of the two happened.
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NeuralStan
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Which makes the bench card the same measurement twice, with one thing added, and with an honest expectation attached.
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NeuralStan
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Before you condition: run the cell and write down the current and the gas rate.
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NeuralStan
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An inverted measuring cylinder over a tube is enough, and log the temperature, because the gas volume depends on it.
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NeuralStan
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Then condition however you like.
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NeuralStan
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Then run it again and take the same two numbers.
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NeuralStan
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Then divide.
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NeuralStan
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Litres of mixed gas per amp-hour.
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NeuralStan
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And here is what to expect, stated in advance, so that you are not surprised into the wrong conclusion.
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Evil Stan
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Expect the amps to fall and the gas to roughly hold.
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Evil Stan
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That is not a miracle.
17:39
Evil Stan
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That is the iron no longer stealing electrons, and your gas per coulomb climbing towards the ceiling.
17:49
NeuralStan
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Which is a better electrolyser, and worth having, and worth writing down.
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NeuralStan
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It is not Meyer's effect.
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NeuralStan
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The result that would be extraordinary is gas per amp-hour above six hundred and twenty-seven millilitres.
18:02
NeuralStan
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That is Faraday's ceiling and nothing has ever beaten it.
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NeuralStan
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If your cell does, publish it the same evening.
18:09
Evil Stan
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Which is a smaller promise than the one usually made at this point in the argument, and it is the true one.
18:16
Evil Stan
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And it still turns thirty years of argument into three numbers.
18:22
NeuralStan
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What is still open is narrower than you would think, and there are four of them now.
18:27
NeuralStan
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Nobody has published a measured oxide thickness for a conditioned Meyer tube.
18:30
NeuralStan
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The technique is standard, electrochemical impedance spectroscopy, and every university corrosion laboratory has the instrument.
18:37
NeuralStan
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A conditioned tube is an entirely ordinary sample to walk in with.
18:44
Evil Stan
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Walk into a university with a tube in a bag.
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NeuralStan
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They will be delighted.
18:49
NeuralStan
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Corrosion labs measure three-oh-four in water for a living; you would be the first visitor whose sample they already understand.
18:56
NeuralStan
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Second, nobody has scoped the off-time hold, which is his own sharpest claim.
19:02
NeuralStan
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Third, nobody has weighed the sludge against the amp-hours, which is a kitchen scale and a coffee filter.
19:07
NeuralStan
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And fourth, the one nobody talks about: where conditioning stops and dying starts.
19:12
NeuralStan
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Above about one point two volts at the interface, chromium leaves as chromate and the water goes faintly yellow.
19:18
NeuralStan
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Stephen describes the end of it in the same interview: people use the stainless for a while, the cell seems to die on them, and they have to replace the tubes.
19:29
Evil Stan
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Conditioning and killing the tube are the same chemistry at different potentials.
19:33
Evil Stan
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A builder should know which side of that line they are running on, and nobody has found the line.
19:43
NeuralStan
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Both brothers' accounts are on the site, and so are the two pages of ours that need correcting, and the calculation that sets the ceiling.
19:50
NeuralStan
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Conditioning is real.
19:52
NeuralStan
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It takes hours, it persists, and the current falls, exactly as Stan wrote down in nineteen ninety and exactly as the forums have reported ever since.
20:02
NeuralStan
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It is not the metal aligning.
20:03
NeuralStan
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A field cannot get a fifth of an atom into steel.
20:05
NeuralStan
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It is an oxide two nanometres thick, growing while you run the cell, and it is two semiconductors, and the water it faces is part of the junction.
20:21
Evil Stan
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Both brothers put the change at the surface.
20:25
Evil Stan
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Stan gave it the wrong mechanism.
20:28
Evil Stan
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Stephen gave it the right object by way of a transistor, and then the wrong ledger.
20:35
NeuralStan
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And the number that settles it is gas per coulomb, which has never been written down next to the current.
20:40
NeuralStan
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Which is the whole of this film in one sentence.
20:44
Evil Stan
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Don't ask what the metal introduces to the water.
20:48
NeuralStan
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Ask what the water introduces to the metal.
20:51
NeuralStan
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It is the best sentence either of them ever wrote, and it is not in any of the memos.