Charles Hughes on the telephone (2012)

Charles Hughes on the telephone, September 2012

Brian Coates of Florence, Alabama telephoned Charles Hughes of Marlane Drive, Grove City — the man who answered the door, gave Stanley Meyer a room, a basement and a driveway from the middle 1970s, and let him build the solar silo beside the house — and recorded the call. Hughes was seventy-six and retired to Jackson, Ohio. He is the only person on record who watched Meyer run an engine on water and then went on using that engine to mow his grass for years afterwards.

Two things to know before reading. The call is on a speakerphone and both voices share one recording, so the machine that made this transcript could not tell them apart; the questions are Coates’s and the answers are Hughes’s, but the archive has not marked which is which and has not guessed. And Hughes is audible only from about three and a half minutes in, when the speaker is switched on — before that you are hearing one side of a telephone call.

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What this tape carries that the archive did not have

• How they met. Every account the archive holds has Meyer ringing the doorbell. Hughes says the opposite: “What brought him to my house, he had an ad in the paper about solar energy, solar silo. And I called him up and he came to see me.”
• Why that house. Hughes held a mail contract, and Meyer said the US Mail trucks in the drive were the point: “this is a government agency and… they won’t be prowling around as bad.”
• The warning. “I said, Stanley… don’t form any habits. Because that’s something for somebody to capitalize on, and that’s what I think it got him. Because he ate breakfast in that restaurant every morning.”
• Which restaurant, and when. Hughes places the last meal at a restaurant on the north side of Stringtown Road and says “Cracker Barrel’s on the south side of it, and this is on the north side”, and that Meyer “died in the morning, not at night”. Both differ from the newspapers and from his brother’s account; see the archive’s page on that weekend.
• The engine. Not a tractor as such: a single-cylinder Bolens riding mower of about twelve horsepower, with a tiller and a snow blade. It ran about ten minutes on the gas, and Hughes mowed with it for years afterwards.
• The water. His own well, 183 feet deep and 32 grains hard, straight from the garden hose.
• The cell. An aircraft-aluminium tank from North American Aviation surplus in Columbus, with perhaps fifty stainless tubes, a pressure gauge, and a 12-volt car battery: “it would kill a battery pretty quick.”
• What became of the silo. Taken down three or four years after Meyer died, when Hughes’s daughter remodelled the house.
• Where the buggy went. “Charlie Holbrook in Washington Court House, Ohio, has a dune buggy… he drove it in and parked it.”
• A book. “Stan gave me a book on it. My son Chuck up in Grove City, I think, has it.” The archive has not seen it.

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The call begins

[0:11] Okay. Alright. Hey, is this Charles? I was reading an article about you on the internet. It involved Stanley Meyers. I was telling your wife I was amazed at some of Stan's work. And I've been working on some of his stuff for about ten years now. And I had read where he had moved in.

[0:40] With y'all. Yeah, the rumor on the internet is he was murdered or poisoned. I don't know if you know that. Yeah, they said that they put something in his cranberry juice. But I don't know if it's true or not. That's just a rumor.

[1:11] But in an article it said that you used to watch him run a tractor off of well water. Was that a diesel tractor?

[1:51] Hmm. So, did... It was a diesel? Oh, it was gasoline. Uh, well, did... Well, I got...

[2:18] Yeah, I've seen the dune buggy. We've got all kinds of pictures of that. I've spent thousands of dollars on making the hydrogen over the years. I can't seem to get anywhere with it.

“It blew the lid off once in his garage”

[3:20] They, they put air into, in with the hydrogen that was being produced? Yeah, I mean it, he had it mixed, you know, so it would run the proper mixture, you know, I don't know how he done that, but uh. Huh. What was he like pumping it in there with? You gotta be careful if you build one of those units, it's a sealed unit. And, you know, you put water in it, and then have a, a, a cap that tightens in, tightens on.

[3:49] Because it builds up pressure inside of it. It blew the lid off once in his garage, and he had a house, or his apartment was over the garage, and he tore the floor up in the apartment when it blew up. So it's powerful. He must have had a lot of pressure in there.

[4:14] So he was using a pump to pump air into the hydrogen container? No, it just pulled its own air from when the gas went in here. The piston went down. Yeah. It would pull air in. I don't know how he metered it. Well, you don't know if he put anything in the water? No, he put nothing in the water. The water was just regular tap water. You could stop at a creek and put water in it. He never tried...

The twin, and the solar silo

[4:44] Well, you don't think he was an angel, do you? Huh, was he like a, he never cursed or anything like that? You remember seeing his brother? He looked identical to him, didn't he?

[5:14] Well, there's a small difference, but they look a lot alike. Yeah, they look quite a bit alike. Uh, well... You know, his brother's been to my house up in Grove City, you know, that's where he's done that. He built that... He started out with a... He built a solar silo, and it just... He had these light guides, and they...

[5:44] zeroed in on the center of it and put hot sunlight down into a storage underneath the ground. And he was working on that and never really got it going. But when he found out that it was about the hydrogen, and then everything else stopped and he started working on the hydrogen.

[6:12] Okay, he was, what are you calling light guides? Like a focusing lens? They were just a little round, had a hat-type head, or a round head that was rounded up, and the light guides were in two halves. And what happened, the company that sold him the plastic material,

[6:42] Mm-hmm. Showed him a material that would get a color. It would turn a color. And it didn't work very good. Instead of giving him the clear. So they were working against him on that. Hmm. But he, he, he, he, uh, sounds like to me, along the lines of working with that, he stumbled on how to do something else. Right, yeah. The hydrogen was going to be

[7:11] He was going to produce electricity with the light guides and the sun, you know, and concentrate it. And then he was going to have hydrogen to take care of the gas appliances. And that's how he got stumbled onto that. He didn't think that would be the best, but it turned out to be the most, you know, what he should have done first.

[7:40] So his intentions was never to run an internal combustion engine off of hydrogen. No, not at all. It just kind of led to that. Right. And you talk about these light guides. I'm still not real clear on what those are. Well, he manufactured them. He had molds, and he poured plastic, and it would set up. He had to put a...

[8:09] a mixture, you know. Is it a lot, is it like, is it like a skylight that goes in your ceiling, or? No, this was a round silo, and it had all plexiglass sides, and plexiglass had three, three plexiglass lenses. Uh-huh. And he drilled half-inch holes as close as you could get them, and then had these light guys that you inserted in. There was like

What became of the silo

[8:37] And he got that part done. And then about three or four years after he got killed, then my daughter was remodeling my house. And she wanted to know if she could take that silo down.

[9:07] Dan's gone, sir. No use skipping it. So they took it down there. And it's gone. Yeah. There's pictures. Dispatch had some pictures on the dispatch. Had some pictures on the light guy. Who did? On the solar satellite. What? They don't... All that stuff is not talked about.

“He could talk to anybody”

[9:39] Not very much. Everyone's trying to figure out how he got that car to run on that water and ain't nobody can figure it out. There's people all over the internet using those stainless steel tubes that you speak about being separated. Yeah. I've been using plates, stainless steel plates. Stan, he knows something that we don't know about.

[10:09] He was smart. He was very smart. He had all kinds of people would come. You could have the garbage man come and Santa could talk to him. You have a physicist come, he could talk to him. He could talk to anybody, any brain power. He could talk to them. He could talk their language. Every once in a while he would get talking.

[10:38] a little bit out of my language, and I'd say, Stan, it's, ah, okay, sorry, my educated idiot brain took over there for a little bit. Well, I've been, uh, me and a lot of other guys, we've been, we've been shooting hydrogen in these motors for, honestly, over, way over ten years, and we can't get it to do anything. So we're doing something wrong. Um,

[11:08] But, you know, we can put a torch end on it and light it and burn it. We just apparently don't know what we're doing. And to be honest with you, to me it's an honor to even speak with you. Because Stan is like a celebrity in the free energy side of the electronic field. There's a bunch of free energy websites on the internet and

[11:35] Stan is, he's like one of the biggest celebrities other than some other guy named Nikola Tesla. I don't know if you're familiar with him. But Nikola Tesla, he was the one who invented the, you know, like the phone we're talking on now. He's the one who made all that possible. Oh, okay. He was like an angel, too, like Stan was. But the thing with Stan was is his...

[12:05] Everything has not been shown to us. The most valuable pieces that we need is missing. Yeah. That's why we can't do anything with it. Yeah. And I'm searching for that piece. Yeah. I wish I could help you, but Stan gave me a book on it. My son Chuck up in Grove City, I think, has it.

[12:36] I need to book on a lot of stuff. I haven't seen much sign for years. Well, if your son's young and he gets on the computer a lot, then he probably knows what's going on. Any information would be great.

Off the street, and a pair of boots

[13:05] It's just, you know, so he lived with you about two months. What's, the internet says something. But he was here every day, there at the house every day for several years, I mean four or five years. And he was just a stranger off the street? Off the street. Come in. And this is how he got, he would go in to businesses and

[13:35] He got the stainless steel tubing. He went to, I don't know what company it was in, and went in and talked to them, and they gave it to him. Oh, wow. And all this stuff was given to him. I gave him a pair of shoes once. He was wearing tennis shoes with holes in them. And I had a brand new pair of boots still in the box. And I said, Stan, what size are you wearing? He said, 12.

[14:05] I said, that's what these are. They're for you. And he wore them for a couple years. But it's unreal what he, you know, the money he received. Probably several million dollars he probably had donated to him. Oh, wow. There's no chance he's still alive, is it?

[14:32] You don't think there's any chance he's still alive somewhere, do you? I don't think so. I don't know. Well, was his brother, Stephen, was he good with electronics, or was he smart? Not as smart as Stan. He's pretty smart, but Stan is way above him now. Okay. Huh.

The tractor, and how far the buggy went

[15:03] Well, what did you think about seeing Stan run that tractor on that water? It just ran in the garage. It didn't go anywhere on it. But then when he got the dune buggy, he ran it all over. And you don't think there was any gas involved? No, there was no gas. When it ran out, he better be home. Get somebody to come get him.

[15:32] or bring him some gas, he could pour gas in it together then, because it was still basically like it was. It had a Volkswagen engine in it, and it wouldn't run off of gasoline. But he had a shut-off valve, and he would shut it off, and then when he went off some of his runs, he drained it, drained the gas out, and...

[15:59] He tried to figure out how far it would actually go. He wanted to make sure it wouldn't get any gas, so he drained the tank. It had shut off about two. But it wouldn't keep going. He never got that far with it. You mean the water technology wouldn't power the car out of the driveway? Well, it wouldn't produce enough hydrogen. It would go off-road.

[16:29] maybe 20 or 30 minutes, it would run. And then it would run, it'd get where it wouldn't go anymore. He would build, he would start... And he'd have to recharge the system. Yeah, he would start... He'd have to start the engine and get the 12-volt alternator going to produce 100. So he was working on how he was going to get more

The injectors

[16:57] hydrogen to keep it, you know, to keep going with it. Okay. Well, they're saying on the internet that he hit it with the, apparently, a magic frequency that busted the water up almost free of charge that didn't really cost any, any like, you know, like what you've seen stand out there using the alternator or whatever. Basically, they're saying that he could have made all that hydrogen with the

[17:27] a very small battery, and never would have had to pull over. That the hydrogen was almost coming completely free. Yeah. Well, he may have been off a little bit on that part. I think so. I don't think that's words out of his mouth. Last I talked to him, he was working on some injectors.

[17:54] and he was going to put injectors here. You'd drill a hole in your engine beside your spark plug and put an injector in. That's what he was planning on doing. I don't know if he had done it or not. But all different cars would take different injectors. And he even made them for diesel engines where you could...

[18:24] You might do the same injector that the diesel would run on. Yeah, those diesel injectors are a bit different from these gasoline injectors. They work off of a very high pressure. Yeah. I'm talking... I don't know roughly, but I know...

[18:51] It's hot, very hot. So high in pressure when it comes out, it'll burn you. On the diesel? Yeah, with the diesel, there's different types of... Diesel's about 2,500 pounds per square inch. Yeah, there you go. You're pretty sharp yourself. Well, I just, I mean, I've been working on it, you know.

[19:17] I've been back and forth, well, did he run it on hydrogen or maybe he ran it on water. Maybe he just ran it on straight water and didn't even produce any hydrogen. Maybe it just turned into a steam inside the injector and the steam's what pushed the piston down. But the way it's read is it worked and it's not anything that had any problems. It was all perfect.

[19:46] It was completely finished. Yeah. So, I don't know if later on he figured out how to convert a water droplet directly into a gas, a steam gas. Now, can you get a hold of his patents? Yeah, we have all of his patents, but I'm not... I'm not sure. I'm not completely sure. His patents...

What the patents leave out

[20:18] They're way over a lot of people's heads. Yeah. They're not to where a lot of people can understand them. Right. And a lot of, I mean there's several patents that we've picked and we've just worked on one particular patent for years and we never get any results out of it. There's something missing that's not in those patents. Yeah.

[20:44] He may have kept something back, I don't know. Yeah, he definitely did. Which is when, one reason, you're the only person that I know that's seen him run that tractor on water. So something between that hydrogen fuel cell and that tractor, there was something there that's not, that you probably didn't see.

The gas line, and the exhaust

[21:14] He took a gas line loose and the tractor would run out of gas. And then he took the hydrogen up to it and then it started back up. And I breathed the exhaust, had the exhaust come out and it wasn't hot.

[21:39] It wasn't cold, but it wasn't hot. Do you think he modified any part on that tractor in any way? No, because when he got done with it and started working on the dune buggy, I mowed the grass with it. So I used it for several years after that. So you think he hooked his hydrogen line directly to the gasoline line? Yeah, I think he just...

[22:10] hooked it on before the gasoline went in the carburetor. Well, do you remember how long the tractor would run? It would run probably 10 minutes. 10 minutes. But you said he would run it out of gas first? Yeah, uh-huh. To make sure that he was running on hydrogen and not gasoline.

[22:39] Okay, and he wouldn't run it completely out. Yeah. And then he'd just unhook the gas tank and hook his line up. Yeah. And you don't think the hydrogen generator was pressurized? You don't think it built up any amount of pressure? Well, the hydrogen unit was round and had this...

Inside the cell

[23:05] It was about two? It was a stainless steel tube down there. Okay. With electric running to each one. And it had a tube inside of a tube insulated away from each other. And the one tube was negative and the other one was positive. And that would create the hydrogen gas and run the engine. Okay. Yeah, and he did have a pressure gauge on there.

[23:33] Oh, yeah. But you did mention something about him bringing in ambient air into the generator. Well, he done that on the dune buggy. Oh, that was later on. That wasn't... Yeah. So maybe the tractor was all pressurized. Yeah, I think so. The tractor wouldn't run. He had the same unit on a single-cylinder tractor.

[24:03] that he used on the four-cylinder dune buggy. Oh, the tractor was a one-cylinder? Yeah. What kind of... Do you remember what kind of tractor it was? Uh... I can't remember offhand. It was a... My brother-in-law used to sell them. He had a hardware. Well, that's okay. He had a...

[24:32] a crawler engine, I think it was a single cylinder crawler, and it was about a 12 horsepower or something like that. About the size of a lawnmower? Yeah, it was a lawnmower. Oh, okay. Riding a lawnmower. So it wasn't a tractor, it was kind of like a minute, it was between a tractor and a lawnmower. Yeah, it had a rotor trailer with it, and a blade, through snow, and it was a

[25:02] pretty nice Bolens, it was a Bolens truck. Bolens, and it was probably around the 80 something model. Yeah, well I see. I can't remember when he was there now. In the 70's I think it was when he first came around. Okay.

The advertisement, and the spare room

[25:31] Well, you don't know how glad I am to even get to speak with you. What brought him to my house, he had an ad in the paper about solar energy, solar silo. And I called him up and he came to see me. And he talked to me and then

[26:02] We agreed that he could research and development he could do there. And in my basement, I set up a place for him in the basement where he had a neon light and his computer. He had a computer, I'm not sure. But whatever he needed, he would get it.

[26:30] No money or not, he'd still get it. Somebody'd give it to him. So was he living down there or just visiting a lot? We had a bed for him. I had a four-bedroom house and I had an empty room, and he stayed in that room. And then he's working the basement on his grafting and stuff like that, growing out stuff.

[26:59] How old was he when this was going on? He's younger than I am. He was probably late 30s. So no women. He had no girlfriends? He got married, but he never...

The mail contract, and a warning about habits

[27:28] He never brought a girlfriend around. He didn't have enough time. Yeah. He was too busy. He must have really loved what he was doing. Yeah, he did. But anyway, when he came to my house, he said, I haul mail. I had a mail contract. And he said, this is where I want to be. He said, the first day I got here, and I saw there were trucks with U.S. mail on the side of them. He said, I knew...

[27:57] had to do with my stuff here because nobody would bother me. Because this is a government agency and, you know, they won't be prowling around as bad. We never had any problems. Who was he afraid that was going to bother him? Well, he... He thought... I don't remember what all he said. But...

[28:27] He said that, I told him once, I said, Stanley, don't get into any, if you're afraid of your life and for your life, don't get into any habits. Don't form any habits. Because that's something for somebody to capitalize on, and that's what I think it got him. Because he ate breakfast in that restaurant every morning. Yeah, and he ate with, was that the morning he died? Yeah.

Which restaurant

[28:57] He died in the morning, not at night. Well, I don't remember. Well, I don't remember. Yeah. But he, obviously, Stan and his brother was eating at Cracker Barrel, probably. No, it was on the other side of Old Main Dragger. I can't remember the name of it now. No, that's fine. That's okay. I'm just... It's...

[29:26] about as far away from, from, uh, uh, let's see, Stringtown Road goes across is, uh, the road there. Cracker Barrel's on the south side of it, and this is on the north side. Hmm. See, I lived on Marlane Drive. I went right beside that restaurant. Yeah. So he would eat there and then come right to my house. Hmm. Well, when's the last time you seen Steve and his brothers?

The family

[29:56] Do you not see his brother? Did he not ever... Yeah, his brother never came around after he died. So Stan mostly is the only one out of the entire family that you knew? Come again on that? You really didn't know anyone other than Stan? You didn't know his parents or anything like that? I met his mother twice.

[30:23] She was a nice woman. She never left him alone personally. Which that's what he wanted. I'm just wondering if Stan had a good firm place at home to take care of him. It sounds like he was

[30:51] They kind of make it sound like he was struggling and he didn't have anywhere to go and, you know, he found you. That's the way it kind of sounded. He grew up, his parents were wealthy. Okay. He grew up with money. Oh, okay. He grew up with chemistry sets and everything he wanted like that. Oh, okay. Oh, I see. And he about bought the garage that once. Ha, ha, ha.

[31:19] I was over there with him one day, and he said, come here, I'll show you something. On the garage on the inside, some of the boards are still charred, you know, by the fire. Yeah, I sure wish I could have met him. I see videos and CDs of Stanley Meyer talking, you know, giving lectures and stuff. Yeah. I see all kinds of those videos. But, you know, over the years, new stuff pops up, but

The well water

[31:48] Just, you know, what you're saying to me, based on what you've seen and based on what we've been researching and doing, it isn't making any sense. Honestly, between me and you, it sounds like to me that the water that Stan may have been using may be different than the water that we're using. Well, it was using my well water. That's some very clean water. Hmm. Yeah, no...

[32:18] Well, you know, well water don't conduct electricity unless you put something in it. And that's, you know, that's strange. The only time water will conduct electricity is when it's got contaminants in it. A large amount of contaminants. Just a fair little bit of contaminants won't cause conduction.

[32:48] Well water and rain water is really clean. My water was 32 grains hard. Well, the reason we get hydrogen from water with the tubes that Stan was using is because we're applying a current through it. And most of the guys that's doing it, they can't produce enough hydrogen, so they're putting a chemical in there with it.

[33:16] uh, lye. I don't know if you know what lye is. That's what's used to make soap. They're putting that in there with it just so they can get enough gas. Well, he explained it to me on that, the round hydrogen unit. It has these stainless steel cubings in it. And one's negative and one's positive and one's inside the other. And, uh,

[33:46] and they will spark against each other, and that is what produced the hydrogen. Oh. And so actually, what he was doing was controlling a bomb. Hmm. So you can't do that with water that's got additives in it. So your water, you feel, was extremely clean. It was hard, but...

[34:15] It was clean water, but it was very hard. He did mention that you could use salt water or any other type of water. It makes me wonder if he had some kind of way to clean this water before he put it in his fuel cell. Maybe that's why he said he could use... No, because he ran out of my hose on the house.

[34:45] And to fill that unit. I'd never seen him do that before. And he would hook it up to a 12 volt battery and let it build up some pressure and then he would start the tractor out there. Little boy's tractor. He never made any comments between well water and city water?

The Navy, and seawater

[35:11] Now he tried different waters, he told me that, but the only thing I've seen him use was my well water. But he did say that he wanted to sell it to the Navy because they're running in hydrogen. All they got to do is take the seawater, get the hydrogen out of it, and they got power. Hmm. Seawater.

[35:43] Well, that's over my head, I think. Yeah, it was over mine, too. What most of his talking was, but he would sit and explain stuff to me. And if I keep saying what, he'd keep explaining it. You think he was completely open to you about it? Do what now? You think he was completely opening up to...

[36:11] You know, because he didn't fear me because, you know, I was one of his best friends at that time. So you think that by your personal thoughts on us using water that's basic, you know what's in tap water, nasty stuff, and any water that's not very clean, we can't seem to use any clean water because we can't get the electricity to go through it.

Sparking

[36:41] If that makes any sense to you. Well, I don't know. Not really. I mean, I've seen him hook it up with the lid off of that unit, and they were sparking all the units, all the little pipes down in there, pipes inside of pipes, were snapping, you know, like an electrical short. It would kill a battery pretty quick.

[37:09] And a real good alternator to keep that battery out. Do you think he had something between the battery and the fuel cell? Maybe some kind of electronic device to maybe... Maybe an alternator. Something to boost the voltage maybe to make it spark like that? He just used the battery and...

[37:36] There's units, or not units, the pipe, inside of a pipe. I don't remember exactly what he used. You don't remember any coals or wires? Well, every one of them was wired. The inside pipe was one color and the outside pipe was another color. Yeah, that's what I didn't understand. It kind of looked like a bronze color. I thought stainless was shiny.

[38:07] Uh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't either. I don't even hear the stainless tube because... Well, you know the color of it, like, if you go in, like, a appliance store, you'll see a stainless refrigerator or the color of that. And you know the color of brass. I thought it was a mixture in between the two when I seen it. I don't know what grade. There's a lot of different grades of stainless steel. Yeah. I don't know what grade it was. Yeah.

[38:38] I don't think I got any more of those tubes. I had some tubes for quite a while, but I used them for other stuff. Sounds like you do a little bit of experimenting yourself. I have a lot. I've always been able to repair about anything going here. I work with my hands and, you know, I've

How many tubes

[39:08] Not real smart, but... Well, that... I'll pick it up real quick. The fuel cell that you seen Stan playing with, which, you know, it was about, what, a foot? It's about knee-high. Maybe a little... Yeah. No, it was 16, 18 inches tall on the... for the tractor. And then he went up to maybe a two-foot tall. How many tubes was it... How many tubes was in the one on the tractor...

[39:39] What? Tubes, stainless steel. Was it like, did it have like six of them in there? There's tubes? Yes. There was a lot of them, maybe 50. 50? Yeah. Well, in his videos on the internet, he shows like eight or nine tubes. Maybe six tubes. That's about a foot and a half tall. Or about six 18-inch tubes or something like that, one inside of the other.

[40:08] Well, he could have changed that later on, because when he moved away from my place and moved into that garage apartment, I didn't see him very often. Most of the time I'd go there, he'd be gone. And I'd drive by and see his car there, and I'd pull in and talk to him, but I didn't see him too many times. Because I was, all of May all night,

[40:37] I was a mail contractor, and I worked ten and a half hours a day, six days a week. I didn't have much time for anything else. Well, I don't mean to bother you with all these questions, but to be honest with you, I feel special even getting to talk with you, to be honest. Because to me, Stan is like a celebrity to me. Oh, yeah, he was? I mean, all right.

[41:07] He's one of the smartest people I ever knew. I mean, a lot of people sit at home and they got their celebrities that they watch on TV. Yeah. But Stan's my celebrity. Right. I mean, he, he do. And, uh, I just, you know, you're one of the, you're one of the few that's left that can even, you know, comment on any of his work. Yeah. And, and the guys that... Are you religious?

Speaking in tongues

[41:33] Yeah, I'm Church of Christ. I don't go to church like I should, but I am religious. But he can talk in tongues. Oh. Did you ever hear that? I've heard of it. Would he do that at church? He's done it at my house. Some guy came there and...

[42:01] After he left, after the guy left, he said that guy was there to do damage to me and you. And he had that feeling. And he talked in tongues. And I thought, why did he come out here? Couldn't understand him. And he rebuked that guy. He said, I rebuked you. And pointed his finger at him. And that guy left.

[42:31] And he wasn't a guy that would leave. He felt something, you know. Stan put something at him or something. He felt something when he was pointed at him. Just like an electric charge hit him or something. Wow. You don't know, are you not familiar with a guy by the name of Ulf, are you?

[42:58] Oh, his name's off you LL Okay, I didn't know if you would be or not. Here's another guy that Stan had He also seen Stan's inventions too But based on what I'm hearing it sounds like to me that You know if we put a normal car battery on two stainless steel tubes if the water is dirty it'll produce hydrogen and

[43:27] But if it's well water, like what you have at your home, it won't do anything. It'll just sit there. That white stuff, the hydrogen, won't even come off of it. It would start boiling. It would start sparking. Little tiny sparks. Then it would start boiling. The water would start boiling.

[43:53] I understand that it was a long time when you've seen all this. I just wondered, did he hook the tube directly to the battery with the well water in there? Or if maybe he had... That's what he'd done at first. I don't know if he'd done it. He had off and on switches later on and had it all in boxes and stuff. He was very neat with doing stuff. Okay.

Brian Coates introduces himself

[44:24] Checking my phone battery here. I'm on a cell phone. Yeah, I don't want to bother you at all, but I mean, I've had a lot of fun talking to you. And I don't want to offend you or anything, but how old are you now? 76. You're 70? Man, well, you sure don't sound like it. My birthday is 9-11. 9-11? I'll be 77.

[44:52] Oh, wow. I had that before the Twin Towers there. Oh, wow. But that was a bad birthday for me. Well, my name's Brian Coates, and I've built wrecked cars all my life, and I got out of that. I'm 30 years old, and I started my own heating and cooling company, and on the side, I researched Stanley Meyer's work, which I've

[45:22] I built me a little 10-foot wide by 20-foot long office out here, and that's all I do is research Stan's work. Yeah. And, you know, like I said... Where are you from? I'm right here from Florence, Alabama. Florence, Alabama. Yeah. Oh, and another thing. One of the articles was saying that I was... I can't remember if I asked you about it or not. Let me see if I can find this. I want to read it to you. Let me see if I can find it. I was reading this to your wife.

The article: limousines, turbans, and army brass

[45:53] Okay, Charlie Hughes, now 36 years old, vividly recalls the strangers who visited his parents' home in the late 1970s. He had been playing outside in the windy driveway suddenly filled with limousines. Men in turbans stepped out.

[46:20] and stern, thick accents, they asked for Mr. Meyer. I remember because I was not allowed in my own house that day. They left briskly. Charlie was about to go inside when the driveway filled again, this time with military vehicles, Army brass, he called. At dinner that night, Stanley Meyer told them the Arabs wanted to offer me $250 million to stop work. Right. Does all that sound accurate?

The military

[46:51] I've seen part of that. Was there a lot of vehicles in and out of there? Yeah, it was in my driveway. Must have been something pretty serious then, huh? Yeah, see, at that time he was working with, I think it was the Air Force. And he had some tunnels and now some brass anyway, military brass.

[47:22] at one of his seminars and I went to it. Well, I've always thought that Stan had seen something inside the military that triggered all of this. But, you know, I've heard and read so much that you don't ever know what to think. But I've always thought that Stan's seen, that he has visually seen a lot of stuff that

[47:51] someone like you and I don't usually get to see. Right. And maybe he has picked up a few things and put the system together. Yeah. He always told me, he said, you will see this work in your lifetime. And I've gone through. Well, everyone's trying the best that they can, but nobody's, they haven't found the lost piece of the puzzle. Yeah. I say he was,

“It was all for the second coming”

[48:20] He was not going to make a penny off this. It was all for the second coming of Christ is what his big project was. Well, I've seen my fuel cell. I have one probably identical to Stan's. You probably couldn't tell it apart if you've seen it. I blowed it up and I busted the container.

[48:48] and I had water that was, you know, moisture that was still in it and all the tubes started sparking and, you know, making electrical pops and you could visually see little static pops. Yeah. But that only happened one time and I never could figure out why it done that and the chances of that happening again is slim and none. Yeah. But, I mean, what's got me

[49:18] is, you know, you said he was using well water. Well, that completely turns the technology that we're working on, that completely gives us a 180 because the hydrogen that we produce, well water's too clean. We can't get no electricity to go through it.

[49:45] in order for it to conduct, it's going to have to have some kind of contaminants in it. Well, the water was shorting out between the small and larger pipe that was one inside the other. The water is what was shorting them out and causing the arc to get at the bubble and produce the hydrogen. You think it was a 12-volt arc?

Where the buggy went

[50:14] 12-volt car battery is what it is. You know what? It was all mobile, so you can have it. And that dune buggy, Charlie Holbrook in Washington Courthouse has it. Do what now? Charlie Holbrook in Washington Courthouse, Ohio, has a dune buggy.

[50:46] And that's where we're at in Ohio? Washington Courthouse. Now, you understand that that dune buggy has moved around a lot in the past two or three years. Well, it could be, but the last I knew about it was probably two or three years ago when Charlie Holbrook had it. It was in his garage, I'd show him.

[51:17] He may have sold to somebody. It's not all there anyway, I don't think. It was. When he had it, he drove it in and parked it. You think he drove it in on water? He worked with him. Charlie worked with him. There was a lot of younger guys in the videos of Stans that was working on the buggy.

The younger men

[51:42] And I couldn't figure that out. Some of them looked like Sandy Bond-headed guys that wore glasses, and they looked like they were about, I don't know, 18 years old. Yeah. I just wondered if those guys maybe were some guys that Stan maybe was selling the technology to. And that was back when he was showing the computerized injectors

[52:11] and how to tune them and delay them. He was checking the injectors before he installed them on the car with the computers. Yeah. That's one of these other guys. And there was a pretty good fair bit of guys there, about four or five of them, that was working with him. I couldn't figure that one out. Because I thought Stan worked alone. No, he had a...

[52:40] I can't remember the boy's name, but he lived in Columbus area. And he came down there for over a year every day. He was like he was coming to work and working all day long. He helped build the light guides. This was on that solar silo. And then when the stand started on the hydrogen, then he stayed with him. But he ran out of money, and he had to go back to work.

[53:08] He just took time off and was living off of some money he had to put back. And then Charlie Holbrook, uh, Washington Court House. He, uh, got in touch with him. Stan had a seminar, I think, that Charlie went to. And, uh, Charlie was a, was a block layer in Lake Concrete Rock. And what he, his job, you know, that's what he's done for a living. Mm-hmm.

[53:37] He helped Stanley. I think Stanley chose mostly people that couldn't pick up on what he was doing too quick, yeah. Did Charlie get the car before Stan died, or was it after Stan died? I don't really know. I think it was before. I think Stanley felt that something was going to happen to it, and he had Charlie take it to his house.

The light guides, and what the silo was for

[54:05] He's got his head. Is there two different buggies? His what? I believe I see two different buggies instead of one. I think there was two. One's all I ever seen. Well, hmm. Maybe he updated it. Made it look different. The light guides for the solar silo. What was the purpose of the light guides? What...

[54:35] to make a lens to direct the sunlight to the center. It was 24 foot high. It was like a farmer's silo. Are you familiar with that? Yeah. That's tall. Yeah. And round. Like a solar silo. And these lenses, the lenses was measured

[55:03] Maybe two foot in diameter. These things were like huge. They were bigger than that. Bigger than that? It was about 10 foot inside. The diameter was about 10 foot on a 24 foot high. And had the top was at a certain angle. Direct the light down to the center.

[55:33] And he had left and right light guides and center light guides. He had all these directed down into storage. He said a lot to me he was after heat. Huh? He was after the heat. Yeah. What was he going to do with all that heat? Use it to heat people's houses and hot water. And that's when he realized...

[56:02] that he wanted to quit. Well, he was going to produce hydrogen to take the place of your gas. Anything that went on gas, gas furnace or anything like that, then it would run off. Well, I'm trying to relate this solar silo to why he switched to the hydrogen car. Because he was working on the solar silo, then

[56:33] then suddenly he wasn't interested in it anymore. Right. He'd seen something. Well, that's when the hydrogen... I mean, he already knew basically about the hydrogen, but when he started working on it to develop it, he said, whoa, this is a lot more than I thought it was going to be. This will do it all. I don't need nothing else. Hmm.

[57:04] You mean he was using a solar silo to somehow work with the hydrogen generator? Well, the hydrogen was just one of the... You know, if you had a hot water tank, an electric hot water tank, then the heat from your solar silo, it had a bunch of copper pipes in it, and it was covered up...

[57:33] He had three or four different materials in him. He had truckloads. And they'd put it in and out. He had 11 of them to start with. And he got 11 of them from... Hmm.

“How did he get so smart?”

[57:58] I don't see how Stan ever got as smart as he was. He was in college.

[58:26] He was in college when I knew him. How did he get so smart? Was he an angel? I think he was. You think so? Yeah, I do. You don't think he had any involvement in the military or anything like that before any of this, do you? No, he wasn't in the military. Because I heard him talking about running jets off of,

[58:55] his hydrogen in tanks and stuff. I'm just, I was wondering how the military got involved with Stan. I don't know, but they did. I was at one of their seminars at Deer Creek Lake Park. They have a big meeting room, and he had a seminar there, and had several

[59:24] you think they're using that now you know you know Stanley Meyer I don't know if you know this or not but he talked about

[59:51] He was helping develop some ships that would go underwater at high velocities. Yeah. And it worked a lot like, you know, the hydrogen fuel cell. I didn't understand a lot of it, but he did speak some on that. He spoke some on the, some kind of, I can't remember how he pronounced it, Starcraft, Star Wars program or something or another. Yeah.

The water, one more time

[60:21] He talked some on that. Yeah. But now after speaking with you, all I have left to do is empty out all the dirty tap water out of my fuel cells, start all over. And that may take me 20 more years to figure out, you know. Yeah. But you say he's using a car battery and spring water or, you know, well water. Was it well water? Yeah, it came from 183 feet deep.

[60:50] 183 foot deep. Well, that's some of the cleanest water you can get. Yeah. And if he was putting anything inside the water, would you have known it? Yeah, I wouldn't have known it. He wasn't doing that. No, I saw him fill that fuel cell up several times. You think there was something inside that fuel cell that was acting as an additive that was maybe becoming consumed?

[61:19] that was dissolving, that maybe was dissolving. It was aluminum. He did say that the tubes may have to be replaced because they may, you know, it may grow them up a little bit. Hmm. Do you think he had any aluminum in there with the stainless? Well, his, uh, the version...

Aircraft aluminium

[61:48] The unit he made was aluminum. It was aircraft aluminum, I think. He got it at North American Surplus. North American Aviation Surplus in Columbus. The ones he was running the tractor on, was that aluminum? Yeah. That was not stainless. No, it had stainless tubes inside of it, but it was aircraft aluminum.

[62:16] Okay, I'm real confused. My cell has an inside stainless tube, and it's separated with tie straps, and the outside tube is also stainless steel. So I have two stainless steel tubes with a spacing. He had two stainless steel tubes, but he had a lot of them.

[62:44] And some of them have been aluminum. So the one that he ran the tractor off of, do you think that was stainless steel or aluminum? Well, I always thought it was stainless. And I've used them. I can't remember. My wife had a fish tank. And...

[63:12] pieces of, you know, go down in for the bubbling and stuff. They kept having trouble with that, so I took one of those stainless steel tubes and fit it in there, and there it did have no more trouble. Huh. Well, he could have been using aluminum, you would say. Well, I thought the tank was aluminum. It was an aircraft aluminum, which is very strong, and it

[63:42] Oh, he was using an aluminum tank with stainless steel tubes inside of it. Yeah. I see what you're saying. He was just using that aluminum tank to hold that water. Right, yeah. But he wasn't really using aluminum electrodes. No, no. No, okay. But he could have used stainless later on when he rebuilt and built another tank. But his electrodes was always stainless.

[64:12] But I had a trail bike, and I had got a piece of aluminum to make me a fender, so I'm mud running. So I have a high fender, and I took his aircraft aluminum and cut it to fit, and then I bolted it on, and then I had to pull it down, bend it down, and then bolt it. And I had it

[64:40] bent like that for about two years, and I took it loose, and boom, like a spring, it went right back straight. And I was telling him about that. And so that's how I remember that he got some, that aircraft learned them and used it to make that tank with. So, that's strange. Huh? That's very strange.

[65:07] that it would go straight, it would straighten itself back out. Well, I, your aircraft, tempered aluminum, see, it'll do that. Hmm. Well, I don't reckon the public ever sees anything like that. No, but if you have a, see, North American Aviation, and it was their surplus, you could go buy a surplus. Hmm. I wasn't about to, a piece of surplus.

[65:36] It wouldn't have been round, a nice round

What he saw, and what he heard

[66:06] like I had. It would have been, you know, stepped, you know. Hmm. Well, I know what's going to happen. I'm going to get a battery and put it on my fuel cell. When I put that well water in there, it's just going to sit there and do nothing. Right. It should do a little sparking and then boiling like and then...

[66:31] You run a pipe off of it, you ought to be able to light it. No, when you say boiling, do you remember what it... I know it's been a long time, but did you see a white cloud come off the top of the tubes, or was it bubbles, big bubbles? It was real tiny bubbles. And they were white? Yeah, yeah. It was where the air and water or whatever was.

[66:59] Could you hear anything happening inside the fuel cell? Yeah, there was a... You could hear it almost like water starting to boil in a pan or something. Okay, but you didn't hear any popping or anything like that? No, when he first got it, it was snapping, very, very light snaps. I wouldn't be able to hear it now because I can't hear it too good now, but...

[67:28] Back then I had real good hearing. But he didn't have a vacuum on his fuel cell or anything like that? No, not that I've seen. Okay. Did he have electronics that he built from the ground up just laying around? No.

Goodbye, and permission

[67:52] He said that it's so simple that people won't be hurt. They won't realize. It's just very simple. Well, I just wonder if it's the material that we're able to get our hands on today. Well, I certainly appreciate your time and talking to me.

[68:22] No, you're welcome. I don't want to wear out my welcome. I'm honored to speak with you. I don't mind. Are you the one that lives in the two-story house where the buggy was parked? Yeah, I don't now. I still own that house. I have two of my kids live in it.

[68:47] Well, the way the video makes it look out, it looks like it's Stanley Meyer's house because he opens up the garage door and there's a dune buggy in there. He's the one that answers the door and you can see his computer. I never know what it was in his house. They were using my house and then they went over to his garage apartment and done the rest of it, I'd say. And I'd imagine it was a lot smaller.

[69:19] Yeah, I mean, it was just, you know, a one-car garage. Well, my name's Brian Coates from Florence, Alabama, and I may call you back one day, just, you know, later on. Okay. I had fun talking to you, and maybe one day we can talk again. Yeah, well, I appreciate your help, and...

[69:48] Can I share some of the information that you give me with some of my friends that's experimenting? No, I don't care. You don't care? It's nothing to me now. I'm retired, so I could care less. Okay. Well, I certainly appreciate it. It's been an honor even speaking with you. You're welcome. All right. Well, have a nice night. What time is it over there?

[70:17] Because it's 8, 10 after 9. 10 after 9. You're an hour ahead of me. Yeah. It's 8, 10 over here, so it's probably about your bedtime. Yeah, I go to bed around midnight. Well, I sure enjoyed it, Charles, and I appreciate it. You get up at 10 in the morning. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, thank you for everything. Oh, you're welcome. All right, we'll see you. All right, goodbye. Bye.